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Scott Brady January 21st, 2008 01:09 PM

DIGILUX 3
 


I know a few of you use DIGILUX 3 Leica body and the 4/3 lens system.

As I prepare for our expeditions this year and next, which will include Barranca del Cobre in March and six months in South and Central America in November, I am looking to fill a few camera requirements. For HDV, we are trying to swing a Red One with it's 35mm cinema sensor, but for digital still capture, these are our thoughts:

1. DSLR- 12mp EOS 5D, with my series of L glass. (will purchase in the next few weeks)
2. D-Lux 3- 10mp, back-up camera, or when we want to appear more discrete or like a "tourist" (already own and use)
3. DIGILUX 3- This would be Stephanie's camera for the trips.

The DIGILUX 3 has several traits that will make for a good camera for Stephanie, including a very film camera feel. She was educated in traditional photography, with dials, manual exposures and darkroom development. Using the features of the DIGILUX will be familiar to her. The DIGILUX is also relatively compact and light, and favors the "run and gun" style of people and environment photography Steph prefers.

So, this leads me to a few questions before I drop the 1.5k

1. Has the body and lens proven durable and trouble-free?
2. Have you fitted any other 4/3 spec. lenses, like the 25mm 1.4?
3. Overall image and color quality in RAW (I am aware of the cameras .jpg limitations).
4. Would you buy the camera again if given the choice? If not, what other model would you consider (like the Canon G9, etc.)?

Thanks for any insight

Eric Siepmann January 21st, 2008 04:30 PM

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06...cadigilux3.asp

Gives a very good technical overview.

Still have a II that works wonderfully. Unfortunately not the best camera to toss into my camel bak though. But takes absolutely wonderful pictures though, even at its advanced age.

EDIT:
It's a IIIa not a two, with an Elmar mounted at present.

hochung January 21st, 2008 04:53 PM

I am very happy with the Digilux 3. But I don't think it's as rugged as it could be. The lens is already gone back to Leica for repair. The zoom mechanism crapped out. I am using my brother's for now. Other than that, I really like the heft and size, the image quality, the manual settings, battery life, etc.

for lenses, check out http://www.four-thirds.org/en/products/lense.html

My brother has a Zuiko telephoto that takes nice photos. But lacks the aperture ring. You have to go into a menu to change aperture.
I've been tempted many times by Zuiko, but I am holding out for the real deal ELMARIT.

yes, i'd buy it all over again.

montanablur January 21st, 2008 07:41 PM

Good luck with the Red... I heard they are made out of unobtainium...

After seeing pics of the new Nikon D3 I have seriously been considering ditching all the Canon gear... If I go that route couple 5D's and lots of L series glass.

Which comes to the back up camera, I would just get another body for DSLR. Once you become proficient with a body it will only frustrate you to have to fall back on something else. So buy a body and a lens.

Look at the Canon G9 in place of the DLux 3... A lot more camera for a little less money. Less noise with higher ISO's and longer exposures.

Eric Siepmann January 22nd, 2008 06:38 AM

Why not the M8 is my question. All the M bayonet glass and the digi goodness of the Digilux. I mean Leica's M bodies are quite robust and usually travel well if your considerate to them. . .

parantaeyang January 22nd, 2008 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montanablur
Look at the Canon G9 in place of the DLux 3... A lot more camera for a little less money. Less noise with higher ISO's and longer exposures.


X 2.

Also, Ricoh GR II is a great option. No zoom but simple and very adjustable manual mode.

Scott Brady January 22nd, 2008 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montanablur
If I go that route couple 5D's and lots of L series glass.


We need to buy two for Overland Journal, but quickly... Are you ready to make that jump?

Quote:

Originally Posted by montanablur
Which comes to the back up camera, I would just get another body for DSLR. Once you become proficient with a body it will only frustrate you to have to fall back on something else. So buy a body and a lens.


I have gone that route for years with the 20D, and after having zero failures all that time, I can see the benefit of the back-up camera being a different type of tool, for example extremely portable and discrete, like the D-Lux 3. The images (in RAW) that come out of that thing is amazing, and it allows for a compact package. Of course, just my approach to it, but I am usually space constrained for gear, so always thinking smaller.


Quote:

Originally Posted by montanablur
Look at the Canon G9 in place of the DLux 3... A lot more camera for a little less money. Less noise with higher ISO's and longer exposures.


I am starting to lean that way. It is so reasonable and a good performer too. I guess my attraction to the Leica brand is having more than a passing influence on this purchase :cool:

montanablur January 22nd, 2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by expeditionswest
We need to buy two for Overland Journal, but quickly... Are you ready to make that jump?


Not yet... That would be a major life change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by expeditionswest
I have gone that route for years with the 20D, and after having zero failures all that time, I can see the benefit of the back-up camera being a different type of tool, for example extremely portable and discrete, like the D-Lux 3. The images (in RAW) that come out of that thing is amazing, and it allows for a compact package. Of course, just my approach to it, but I am usually space constrained for gear, so always thinking smaller.


Makes sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by expeditionswest
I am starting to lean that way. It is so reasonable and a good performer too. I guess my attraction to the Leica brand is having more than a passing influence on this purchase :cool:


Label whore :D

hochung January 29th, 2008 08:32 PM

so, Scott, which one did you get?

Scott Brady January 30th, 2008 07:46 AM

We pick up the new 5D with 24-105mm kit on Friday. Still deciding on the DIGILUX...

I am trying to find out if a DIGILUX 4 is on the immediate horizon.

hochung January 30th, 2008 12:40 PM

damn, 5D. time for some more L-series toys.

I didn't see any talk of Digilux 4 yet.

hochung February 6th, 2008 03:37 PM

Scott, how about one of these for your new 5D:



The Canon Super Telephoto 1200mm f/5.6L EF USM Autofocus Lens

Scott Brady February 6th, 2008 06:22 PM

Yeah, and imagine that attached to a 40D, with the 1.6x factor.

Nearly 2,000 mm!

Jonathan is taking the new 5D to England next week for a few adventures with Land Rover... ;)

I am still looking at the DIGILUX 3, but have not pulled the trigger on it yet. I have enjoyed excellent images and performance from the D-Lux 3.

wes February 6th, 2008 09:02 PM

There's a used one for sale at B & H...http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...mm_f_5_6L.html

hochung February 6th, 2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by expeditionswest
I am still looking at the DIGILUX 3, but have not pulled the trigger on it yet.


Scott, are the Digilux 3 still available? A friend was looking for one a few weeks ago, and all he could find were used ones that were pretty beat up. If that is indeed the case, you can just move on to the M8. :D

Scott Brady February 7th, 2008 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hochung
Scott, are the Digilux 3 still available? A friend was looking for one a few weeks ago, and all he could find were used ones that were pretty beat up. If that is indeed the case, you can just move on to the M8. :D


Wow, this has all just happened in the last few weeks. BH no longer lists new units and Amazon only has one left.

I will wait a month or so, and see what the new offerings look like...

Oh, and the M8 would be exceptional...:$:

montanablur February 7th, 2008 08:25 AM

Try Samy's and Calumet in Los Angeles... Both had them in stock yesterday when I was milling about.

sheki February 7th, 2008 10:12 PM

still not buying the idea of a digital range finder... seems so contradictory. Love the old film ones and will buy one at some point in my life; however, a digital one... think not.

greghirst February 8th, 2008 10:42 AM

I completely agree. I would love to own a Leica M-series film camera. Perhaps someday...

The Digilux 3, Panasonic L1 and Olympus E-330 (all the same basic camera) are actually not rangefinders-they're DSLR's.

The M8, however, is a digital rangefinder.

Scott Brady February 8th, 2008 10:58 AM

I would think that many of the positive traits of a film based rangefinder would exist with a digital model as well, like:

-smaller and lighter body
-big/bright viewfinder
-oversized viewfinder benefits like seeing the subject before they enter the frame with the longer focal lengths
-near silent shutter operation (lack of mirror snap)
-simple/clean and unobtrusive body, etc.

maybe?

I love the M8 regardless... :)

hanchung February 11th, 2008 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheki
still not buying the idea of a digital range finder... seems so contradictory. Love the old film ones and will buy one at some point in my life; however, a digital one... think not.


david, i don't know if you have handled one... neither have i but i'm very curious to play w/ one and i have a scary feeling the experience will not be disappointing. i think it is the real deal.

hochung February 11th, 2008 03:49 PM

han, you are talking to sheki. the same sheki that likes using old school shit even in Mexico:


montanablur February 16th, 2008 12:16 AM

Had a chance to shoot with the M8 today. I had the 28mm f2.8. I'm sorry I can't post images as they were for a client and they have not been released.

I was really impressed and I actually went into it not wanting to like it at all. The rangefinder takes a little getting used to when you don't shoot with one very often, but I loved the way it made me slow down and really get into the image I was trying to create. The images were of course amazing. The most noticeable feature were the details found in the shadows and the low noise at higher ISO's. What little noise there was at those higher ISO's blown up had a feel close to film grain, unlike the snow storm found on Canon's.

The setup I used retailed for $6,800.00. If I could only have one digital camera with one lens that would probably be it. Although for my shooting style I would need to step up my range finder prowess.

Sorry I can't post pics and may revisit this thread when the images are released.

parantaeyang February 18th, 2008 10:20 PM

I think I will wait until they put a full frame sensors in it.

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