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Old April 27th, 2004, 08:44 AM
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Promotional Video For The New BMW R 1200 GS

Check out:

http://www.tv1.de/bmwtv/cms/_vr300/5...?tv1_storeVS=1

WARNING: DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK UNLESS YOU HAVE $15,000 TO BURN ON A MOTORCYCLE.

More details about the latest Gelande/Strasse can be found here:

http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machineTmpl.jsp
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Old April 27th, 2004, 01:37 PM
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What a bunch of promotional hype!! Do youself a favour and buy a real bike!
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Old April 27th, 2004, 01:59 PM
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I can't help but wonder what that GS1200 must weight. BMW does not even mention it on the site so I am guessing 500#+. John, you need to be happy with your 650. Nice bike. I guess if the adventure bike thing were my cup of tea I would get the KTM 900 Adventure S. It weighs about 440 lbs, which is light for these confusing machines.

I still have a hard time envisioning myself on the trails I run riding something that weighs more than 275#. I am eyeballing some of the KTM Enduros as soon as I sell my kart
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Old April 27th, 2004, 02:06 PM
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curtis, sell that non shifting disco while you can, and get the KTM.
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Old April 27th, 2004, 02:11 PM
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LOL Ho. We are in the process of ordering our bumpers now. This will be the nicest non-moving Disco around
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Old April 27th, 2004, 02:49 PM
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All of these bikes are heavy.

KTM 950 Adventure Dry Weight: 436 lbs.
KTM 950 Adventure Wet Weight: ? (6.6 ga. fuel tank)

BMW R 1200 GS Dry Weight: 438 lbs.
BMW R 1200 GS Wet Weight: 496 lbs. (5.3 ga. fuel tank)

BMW R 1150 GS Dry Weight: 544 lbs.
BMW R 1150 GS Wet Weight: 588 lbs. (5.6 ga. fuel tank)

BMW R 1150 GS Adventure Dry Weight: 547 lbs.
BMW R 1150 GS Adventure Wet Weight: 605 lbs. (7.9 ga. fuel tank)

Those are nominal/factory numbers. I don't know how accurate or inaccurate they are.

The 1200GS compares very favorably with the KTM 950 in weight. If only the 1200 GS weren't so ugly.....

Aaron's 1150 GS Adventure is the coolest looking bike I have ever seen. Perhaps BMW will get things sorted out and bring out a less pimpified R 1200 GS Adventure model.

Time will tell.
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Old April 27th, 2004, 03:28 PM
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Kwai Chang: "Master, why is the GS Adventure so heavy?"

Master Po: "Because it bears the envy of everyone else on the road."

Kwai Chang: "I do not understand, Master."

Master Po: "One day you will."
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Old April 27th, 2004, 04:45 PM
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BMW R 1200 GS Dry Weight: 438 lbs.
BMW R 1200 GS Wet Weight: 496 lbs. (5.3 ga. fuel tank)

I am not convinced yet that this is a US Spec bike (with ABS) with spoke wheels (adds about 2 lbs each). Those two things alone will add about 50lbs.

It's the suspension that really separates the KTM from the BMW. The 1200 is going to have the same inherent limitations as the 1150.
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Old April 27th, 2004, 05:03 PM
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One thing I can't reconcile in my mind is the weight of the 1200 GS and how BMW claims that it weighs only 438 dry and 496 wet.

On the one hand, some guy on the www.advrider.com boards said his new 1200 GS with spoked wheels and ABS weighed 515 lbs. fully fueled and also with a tank bag full of stuff. That is very close the 496 nominal wet weight. Remove the tank bag and stuff and take into account the slightly heavier spoked wheels, and you're very close to the claimed 496 wet weight.

But on the other hand, BMW makes this huge deal out of the claimed 67 lbs. weight reduction on the 1200 GS compared to the 1150 GS. The 1150 GS weighs 544 lbs. dry. 544 minus 438 isn't 67. I would think that if BMW were able to cut more than 100 lbs. from the 1150 GS, then BMW would have made an even bigger deal out of that than the claimed 67 lbs. weight reduction. So these numbers don't seem to add up.

In any case, I want to believe the 1200 GS weighs 500 lbs. wet. That is because my punk ass little Korean frame isn't big enough for me to handle the 1150 GS Adventure. I'm hoping that BMW makes the 1200 GS Adventure as nice as the 1150 Adventure. If so, then that might be my next bike.
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Old April 27th, 2004, 05:14 PM
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well, i hope the 1200 just plain sucks.
then we'll have cash for
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Old April 27th, 2004, 05:37 PM
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Ho, you're dreaming small. If you're gonna dream, dream big:

http://www.ldvusa.com/MobileToolStor...icalConfig.asp

and put that roll cab into the truck:

http://www.ldvusa.com/NewMTS/slidesh.../DETimg009.jpg

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Old April 27th, 2004, 05:44 PM
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LOL
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Old April 27th, 2004, 07:13 PM
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http://www.ldvusa.com/NewMTS/slides...n/DETimg009.jpg

Can I get Spinners for those chrome rims?
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Old April 28th, 2004, 12:02 AM
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The reason those bikes are so heavy and built like that is because they are purpose-designed for higher-speed and distance work such as Dakar.

I absolutely love the design of the bimmers and KTM adventures, but they are dogs for trail riding in Cali. Unfortunately, the only bikes that are good for trails, etc. are simple looking and cheap.

My bike budget pours into two bikes. $20K Aprilia for track days (If you haven't go see "FASTER" at the ArcLight), and $5K Suz DRZ for trail days.

Oh, and I wouldn't want to put too much dough into trail bike cuz I throw the bike into a tree or drop it off a ledge trail at least twice on any given Sunday.
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Old April 28th, 2004, 04:54 PM
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I was surfing Adventure Rider and came across a pic of Kristian:

http://patineto.smugmug.com/photos/3724138-O-1.jpg
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Old April 29th, 2004, 07:02 AM
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What a girly bike he's on!!! LOL
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Old April 29th, 2004, 09:33 AM
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What's funny is that I had never even considered a KTM 950 before. It always looked too weird to my way of looking at things. Then I saw that pic of KM's bike last night. His bike is looking bad ass there with the Michelin Desert tires. All Kristian needs are those bitchin black Excel rims and he'll be stylin. I had KTM visions all the way home last night.
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Old April 29th, 2004, 10:30 AM
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Quote:
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What a girly bike he's on!!! LOL


LOL - I think that is the first time I have ever heard a Bimmer rider call a KTM 950 a "girly bike"
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Old April 29th, 2004, 11:51 AM
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Like the great Jeep vs. Land Rover rivalry, I think the KTM vs. BMW rivalry will never end. This is one of my favorite pics used by the KTM crowd:

http://web.ticino.com/giringiro/sorpasso.jpeg
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Old April 29th, 2004, 11:54 AM
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I don't know that there is so much of a rivalry, but then again - I am just looking into this stuff now. From what I read (and from what the specs show), the BWM GS is the better bike on the street, and the KTM950 the better on the dirt.
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Old April 30th, 2004, 01:19 PM
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Who do you think was riding the dirt trail at speed to get that picture!!!????:p
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