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Old May 1st, 2007, 11:33 PM
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Unusual Family Heirloom

Alexandra had me digging out family heirlooms tonight for a class at school and wanted pics of this so I'd thought I'd share.

This is a gold Mutterkreuz (Mother's Cross) that I inherited from my grandmother, Hannah Kuhr. It was originally given to my grandmother's cousin, Johanna Kuhr, for having 9 children. It originally came with a lanyard for hanging around one's neck.

I believe the Mutterkreuz was the only medal of it's type awarded in WWII for having lots of productive sex!
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 08:33 AM
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that's wild.

thanks for sharing.
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 08:47 AM
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Awesome.
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 10:39 AM
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That's a trip, Greg. Don't YOU feel inadequate for not winning any sex awards and thus failing to keep up with the family tradition?!

Very cool piece of family memorabilia, Greg.

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Old May 2nd, 2007, 10:48 AM
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That's a trip, Greg. Don't YOU feel inadequate for not winning any sex awards and thus failing to keep up with the family tradition?!

If I had 9 kids I'd want more than a friggin' medal!
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 10:58 AM
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it's ok greg... you have been "crowned" already...



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Old May 2nd, 2007, 11:09 AM
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If I had 9 kids I'd want more than a friggin' medal!

No kidding!
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 12:09 PM
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Greg,

I *think* I have some Mutter und Kind propoganda posters at home. I'll check the jpeg archives and post up anything I have that's relevant.

Did Johanna Kuhr receive aid from the Schutzstaffel Lebensborn office?

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Old May 2nd, 2007, 12:42 PM
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Once the declining birth rate phobia took hold of the United States and France shortly before the first Wold War these two countries took great measures to boost reproduction. Other countries, like Germany, followed suit.

The French were particularly obsessed.

I'm going to try to figure out whether the French also awarded medals, I know there were other forms of recognition.
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 12:54 PM
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Greg,

I *think* I have some Mutter und Kind propoganda posters at home. I'll check the jpeg archives and post up anything I have that's relevant.

Did Johanna Kuhr receive aid from the Schutzstaffel Lebensborn office?


LOL-No, not that I am aware of.

Not everyone in Germany was having kids for "Der Vaterland" under special programs to promote aryan purity.

Some were just hausfrau's with poor birth control methods.
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 01:10 PM
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LOL-No, not that I am aware of.

Not everyone in Germany was having kids for "Der Vaterland" under special programs to promote aryan purity.

Some were just hausfrau's with poor birth control methods.


Certainly not, but if they knew enough about her to seek her out and present her with the medal (just who gave it to her is an interesting question in and of itself) then they may well have seen fit to reward her financially as was not uncommon.

It's a lot of mouths to feed and I'm guessing they were genetically ideal offspring.

Like you said,
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 08:46 PM
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The average family size in Germany (US too) was larger in those days than what we see today. Something like 3 million women qualified for at least a bronze Mother's Cross (4 children) in Germany in 1939. I believe my relative had most, if not all, of her children before the Mutterkreuz was starting to be awarded in 1939.

Remember, birth control was hit or miss (so to speak ) in those days. Of course, if you were Catholic, not even an option.

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Old May 3rd, 2007, 08:00 AM
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Of course, if you were Catholic, not even an option.

They weren't completely out of options - I remember learning about the "Rhythm Method" at the Catholic High School I attended. You can imagine how teen-aged boys responded to that terminology in the context of sex ed.

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Old May 3rd, 2007, 02:36 PM
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I thought Catholics were taught the "pull and pray" method was more effective the rhythm method.
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 03:01 PM
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I thought "every sperm is sacred".
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Old May 5th, 2007, 02:24 PM
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Here's what I had on the computer at home:
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Old May 5th, 2007, 05:28 PM
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Greg, what a fantastic heirloom.
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Old September 5th, 2007, 08:11 PM
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I came across this picture and thought of Greg, Jack and this thread.
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Old September 5th, 2007, 08:15 PM
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Kann dies nicht berühren
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Old September 5th, 2007, 11:15 PM
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Kann dies nicht berühren

Is that what German women say to you, Rob?
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