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Old August 2nd, 2006, 01:48 PM
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The return of the Paradox

Found this in the latest issue of Shooting Sportsman.

Very interesting indeed.
I wonder if any other houses will follow suit?
Does the novelty only exist with an H&H "paradox" or would a similar double from Merkel prove desirable?
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 02:11 PM
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I hope the other houses follow suit with the reintroduction of their versions of the Paradox.

I believe the Westley Richards version was called the "Explora".

Another version was the "Colindian" made by, I believe, Charles Lancaster.

There were a few other names whose exact names I can't recall. The names were all very unique though, as exotic as the weapons themselves.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 03:50 PM
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That bit about "other modifications within the bounds of good taste may be accommodated" is pretty funny, given that H&H will make stupidly ugly shit like this:


http://www.hollandandholland.com/~pa.../PA1luxury.htm


I hate that Château de Versailles type shit on Best guns.

And check out this one:


http://www.hollandandholland.com/~pa...s/pa-side.htm#


It looks as if the engraver used a Sharpie on that one.

And check this three-rifle combo in the London Gun Room:


http://www.hollandandholland.com/gun...ash=9729da9230
http://www.hollandandholland.com/gun...ash=383f445892
http://www.hollandandholland.com/gun...ash=a17bc8dc67


Why would anyone want a three-rifle set in .375, .400, and .465? The three cartridges are almost identical in power. The wood on these rifles is hideous. The stock lines are completely wrong. The cheese steel grip cap with the cheese hideaway for a spare front sight is so telling, as is the heavy engraving on a repeater.

Note the chamberings on the last two rifles: .400 H&H and .465 H&H. These are two new magazine rifle chamberings from H&H. Why H&H chose belted cases for these completely new and modern cartridges is a mystery.

And then there's this hideous Dungeons & Dragons monstrosity:


http://www.hollandandholland.com/~ne...0202035721.htm


The stock dimensions look completely wrong. It looks as if the rifle were sitting on the gun rack for a century and the stock bent.

And H&H's making a .470 Nitro is sort of like Rigby's making a .416 Rem Mag. Yuck. A modern H&H heavy double simply must be chambered in .500/.465 Nitro. If you want Old School, then the .500/.450 is acceptable. But no way on the .470. That's a Joseph Lang caliber.

Who buys this junk?
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 08:19 AM
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I don't like any of the above rifles either, but I think selling these gaudy aberrations is what keeps H&H in business.

Think about it.
The people who buy those guns would never be H&H customers if they were relegated to merely a traditional London Best. Oh no, they need the above and beyond and H&H accomodates them, at a premium no less. So the Holland brothers take it to the bank, because they've added customers and they've done it at an inflated rate.

It's a shame it has to be that way, but I'm not sure they'd last otherwise.
It would be nice if the above Paradox was as exotic and fanciful as the guns got, but it's just not the case.
You've got to wonder about the "other modifications within the bounds of good taste may be accommodated" as applied to a Paradox.
What customer is thinking "oh yes, well a smooth bore double gun with rifled choke built to London Best standards is out of the ordinary, but it's not quite extraordinary for someone such as myself. Put the Victoria Cross on one side of the action and a dreadnaught on the other."???
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 08:56 AM
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I think the people who buy these weapons are the same people who buy a Range Rover MkIII and then pimp it out with some junk like this:


http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-st...-1600x1200.jpg


Somehow, the MkIII just isn't enough for them. They have to be different. It's their rookie idea of one-upsmanship.

I realize H&H has to stay in business, but I do wish H&H would refuse to make such weapons on moral grounds. If it did, then H&H would be even more special than it is now.

I'm still cracking up at that .470 double. That thing must have like 4" of drop at the heel. Wrong caliber. Wrong engraving. Wrong sights. Wrong stock dimensions. Wrong color on the wood. Wrong recoil pad. That weapon is just so wrong.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 01:33 PM
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I'm still cracking up at that .470 double. That thing must have like 4" of drop at the heel. Wrong caliber. Wrong engraving. Wrong sights. Wrong stock dimensions. Wrong color on the wood. Wrong recoil pad. That weapon is just so wrong.


You wanna talk about all wrong?
Check out these pretenders down in Atlanta. Their ads have run in a couple issues of Shooting Sportsman and I completely crack up every time I see them. You have to be one seriously confused Southern wannabe to think "The London Trading Company" knows anything about English sporting tradition.

Looking at their ad is like some children's primer exercise where you're supposed to circle the chair with three legs and the upside down painting.

What in the hell are they doing with that Bentley or whatever it is? Going on safari? Off to a driven shoot? In Georgia? And how about the elk tapestry next to the saw blade lamp with the ivory tipped walking staff??? That goes with the double gun and shell bag like nuts and gum. Plus the "models" are so American looking it hurts. That chump looks like he's home on liberty from Camp Pendleton and he's doing a photo shoot for his pappy's new business. The girls look like they can't wait to get out of those get-ups and get back to their game of horseshoes. Don't even get me started on Honorable-Double-Gun-San. That guy just isn't pulling it off with the waxed cotton, barbour boots and scarf. Maybe if the eyes were a little rounder...

Who do these people think they are kidding?!


I'll post another ad or two tomorrow if I remember. The last one has, get this...

...a G4 disco in it.
I was dying.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 01:39 PM
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Oh dear god it gets worse.
I just surfed on over to their website.

check out this beauty shot:


These guys have to be the ultimate pretenders.

What the hell is supposed to be happening in that first shot? Dropping off HopSing and the girls (who are wearing full rain gear on a sunny day) at the boat ramp for a little shooting?
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 01:45 PM
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Oh wait, here it is straight from the horse's mouth:

"Photograph 1:

Jerome is driving the Defender up from the Chattahoochee River in Atlanta, GA.
Photograph 2:

Cheng is wearing a Beretta TM light blue shooting shirt, Premier Italian Clays vest, and an oil cloth hat with strap. Jerome is wearing a Madeleine Finn Blue Jean Shirt and leather hat. Liann is wearing a Beretta quilted hat, Barbour oxford blue shirt, black watch wrap, and Beretta wellies. Stephanie is wearing a straw hat, Barbour Paddock shirt, and Barbour wellies.
Photograph 3:

Liann is wearing a Barbour utility jacket and Barbour waxed hat. Cheng is wearing a Beretta signature long sleeve canvas shirt, Russell Boots, and a leather hat.
Photograph 4:

Liann is wearing a Barbour quilted hat and Barbour polarquilt long jacket. Cheng is wearing a Beretta TM shooting shirt. Stephanie is wearing the blue Barbour paddock shirt and quilted Barbour hat.
Photograph 5:

Defender available for sale at $65,000.
Photograph 6:

Jerome is in the defender wearing a Barbour blue paddock shirt and is holding a Highland stoneware fish mug. Liann is wearing the Canvas Utility Jacket, Barbour waxed hat, and Barbour boots. Cheng is wearing the Beretta signature long sleeve canvas shirt, Beretta Premier Italian Clays Vest, and Russell boots.
Photograph 7:

Stephanie is wearing the Barbour polarquilt hat and polarquilt jacket. Cheng is wearing a Beretta signature long sleeve canvas shirt, a Beretta cap, and is holding a Barbour waxed jacket and fleece liner
Photograph 8:

Stephanie is wearing a blue Barbour paddock shirt and Barbour polarquilt hat. Jerome is wearing a leather hat, Madeleine Finn Blue Jean shirt, and Beretta blue jeans.
Photograph 9:

Stephanie is wearing the long blue equestrian Barbour coat and waxed Barbour hat with bow."

"Jerome" and "Cheng" at it again.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 01:48 PM
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Oh it just won't stop!

I just found the G4 ad:



"Cheng, grab my double rifle, I'm headed to a dealership teeter-totter at Land Rover Buckhead!"
-Jerome
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 01:51 PM
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Don't even get me started on Honorable-Double-Gun-San. That guy just isn't pulling it off with the waxed cotton, barbour boots and scarf. Maybe if the eyes were a little rounder...

Who do these people think they are kidding?!


I'll post another ad or two tomorrow if I remember. The last one has, get this...

...a G4 disco in it.
I was dying.


Maybe Cheng is the cook on these outings? Who knows.

I think that's the 2003 TReK vehicle for LR Buckhead.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 01:51 PM
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And to think I felt a little questionable wearing some of my Barbour gear left over from my New England days on those once a year cold and rainy days here in SoCal. If I'm a poseur I've got nothing on these chumps.

HOTlanta in the summertime?
Break out the duffel coat and surrey cap!
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 01:59 PM
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"No time for love Doctor Jones!"
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 02:00 PM
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Has anyone seen my tartan cummerbund and bow tie set?

I can't seem to find it anywhere...

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Old August 3rd, 2006, 02:07 PM
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This just keeps getting better and better.

Well at least I found some redeeming pics of Cheng's jailbait Hapa daughter.

I'm not going to lie, as ridiculous as the whole site is, she's looking pretty cute in some of the pics.









Back off Jerome.
I've got a little fever.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 02:10 PM
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I'm not feeling it on that swirl action.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 02:10 PM
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Blue jeans with wellies???!!!

Corduroy cargo pants tucked in to Gokey boots with a tweed shooting jacket???!!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!!!
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 03:00 PM
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It's just so hard to choose among the many wonders.

Does one prefer

The hunting lodge sign with amusing "big racks only":



or the Georgia Tech Christmas ornament hand-crafted from an oil drum


???

Both long time favorites back in England.
Not an easy choice.

And how can I forget when I was estate shooting in Northumberland and saw the very same,
"Hooch Bird, Made from a shovel and a bike fork"



Any of these selections are the natural pairing to these other drygoods:


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Old August 3rd, 2006, 03:05 PM
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I'm not feeling it on that swirl action.


you're crazy.
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 03:10 PM
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The swirl baby thing doesn't do it for me.

Reminds me too much of a Jello Pudding Pop.

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Old April 8th, 2008, 03:26 PM
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Did the H&H Paris store close down?

I checked the H&H site:

http://www.hollandandholland.com/gunrooms/

There's no Paris listed.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 02:02 PM
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For those of you interested in such esoterica, here's a cutaway view of an Explora cartridge:

http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05sep.htm
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Old April 18th, 2008, 09:09 AM
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Bizarre.
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