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Old April 12th, 2007, 12:47 PM
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Engel enlargement...

Not an infomercial. So, a few years ago i bought the 35 thinking it was all I could ever need. Stupid of me not to buy the 45 for the extra capacity. Now with experience and different needs, I was thinking of picking up the 45. However a friend came across this gizmo:

http://www.twozone.com.au/

Anyone have experience (or opinion) on this? I don't know pricing, etc so who knows. In the end it is probably better to buy the 45 and forgo the hip-pouch look. But I thought it was worth some discussion.

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Old April 12th, 2007, 03:16 PM
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I saw those before and thought they were interesting.

From the pics it would seem that the supplemental compartment would receive only indirect cooling from the lower section. I doubt this would be a major problem though.

I say just get the 45. Used Engels are very uncommon, so I would think you could sell your 35 without problem.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 03:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnlee
Used Engels are very uncommon
Very x 2. Thanks again John!
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Old April 12th, 2007, 03:59 PM
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If you do decide to sell the 35, let me know.

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Old April 13th, 2007, 07:17 AM
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I guess that makes the decision easy.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 09:24 AM
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That's a interesting modification.

I like the idea of having separate holding compartments.

I'm not sure if a temperature gradient could be held stable should the compressor be taxed though.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 09:49 AM
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I like the two baskets.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM
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Interesting idea, although they can barely keep a regular weight lid on.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 12:40 PM
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I'm digging this fridge light:







It looks a lot like the Black Diamond Ion:




I might have to do some playing around with my Ion.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 12:57 PM
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Now a light would be extremely handy.

Is that a new Engle accessory?
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Old April 13th, 2007, 01:16 PM
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No, that light is from those twozone guys.

I'm going to play with different headlamps and see if I can get one to mount nicely in the fridge. I doubt I would use the light, but it's nice to have it there in case I do and it doesn't take any room anyway.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 02:17 PM
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Can't you clip one of these...



To the transit case cover?
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Old April 13th, 2007, 02:31 PM
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You can but I would like the light inside the fridge. Just looks cleaner that way.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 02:39 PM
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I got a Sylvania "Dot-It" LED to put inside the Engel:


But the light was too wide to fit behind the ribs on the bottom of the lid.

I really wished it had fit because I like the simple push-on push-off design.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 02:49 PM
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I thought a Petzl Tikka might be a nice light for the Engel:




Remove the strap and velcro the Tikka to the lid.

I was thinking of the Tikka because it has a broad back to the light body, which would allow the use of a relatively large piece of velcro or tape.

I haven't played with a Tikka in person though, so I'm not sure.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 03:43 PM
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I just played with my Ion and it won't work well for the Engel because the bracket is too curved to mount to a flat surface with velcro or tape:




I'll check out a Tikka the next time I'm at REI.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 03:49 PM
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I have the Two-Zone attachment for my Engel 45. The extra compartment will always be slightly less cold than the frig itself. The idea is to use the original compartment as a freezer, and the smaller add-on as a frig ... or the lower as a frig, and the upper as a place to keep less-perishable items, like fruit or vegetables.

There's an issue with the Engel Transit Bag. The continuous wraparound lid doesn't really work with the Two-Zone. But I believe the ARB Transit Bag, with its separate lid section, would do fine. The Two-Zones sold in Australia have some provision for using the Engel Transit Bag, but it involves modifying the bag. I didn't like the sound of that, and I'm not sure if the modifications preclude its subsequent use with the frig alone. Plus the Two-Zone's cover doesn't zip together with the Transit Bag; the two just overlap.

I got mine from Sierra Expeditions: http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/ind...n/item/id/172/. They are trying to work with Two-Zone to develop a superior/integrated insulated cover.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 03:57 PM
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i love that two zone light idea.
Hmmm, time for another mod
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Old April 13th, 2007, 04:05 PM
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The Petzl Tikka won't work well either. The bracket on the rear is curved like the Black Diamond.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 04:09 PM
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Damn. That sucks. These curved brackets could easily be secured with a screw, but the last thing I want to do is screw into the Engel lid.

Do you guys know if the headlamps would even work in the severe cold inside an Engel?
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Old April 13th, 2007, 04:33 PM
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Check out this one:




I think that one is called the Tikka XP Adapt. I'm not sure though.

I'm guessing the light body and hinge/bracket remove from the head straps and can be mounted onto the belt or some flat surface using the "adapt" adapters.

These adapters look large enough for some industrial velcro/tape or some serious glue. But then again, the velcro/tape or glue might not hold up under the weight and cold, and some kind of screw might be necessary.

Thus far I think I like the Tikka XP Adapt idea the best. I usually prefer the Black Diamond headlamps over the Petzls, but for the fridge the Tikka is shaped nicely and the hinge is well set up for Engelization.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 04:39 PM
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Here's some other Tikka "Adapt" system:


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Old April 13th, 2007, 05:12 PM
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Here's Petzl's info on the Adapt systems:


http://en.petzl.com/petzl/LampesNews?News=147


The round adapter is also backed with adhesive already from Petzl.

I also just found this other Petzl, called the e+LITE:




This one comes with a bracket with a flat mounting surface. Even if the surface is not perfectly flat, I would think that I could block sand it to become perfectly flat. I'm thinking this might work with some HD double-sided tape, which would be even cleaner than velcro.
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Old April 14th, 2007, 05:51 PM
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I was cleaning up the shop a little this afternoon and realized that we have these in stock:




That's the Black Diamond Spot. It's a Tikka-like headlamp from Black Diamond. We have had these for a very long time now, but we never got around to putting them on the Black Diamond product page. We have several different models of this style of headlamp, but I chose the Spot because it was white and I wanted it to look as "factory" as possible against the white lid.

I snagged a Spot and opened the package. The hinge bracket is too curved, so I tossed it and the head strap. The back of the Spot's light body wasn't flat, so I broke out the sandpaper to flatten it:





I covered the white portion of the Spot so that I wouldn't sand it accidentally:





Here's the Spot after 80 grit:





I wanted to flatten the Spot as much as possible but stopped as soon as I saw signs that the plastic was getting thin:





After 150 grit:





After 220 grit:





After 600 grit:





After removal of masking tape and application of 3M double-sided tape:





I used this because we had some lying around the shop. It's not the Armgeddon stuff. If this tape fails, I'll go and buy a roll of the HD stuff.

Pressed onto the ARB45 lid:





The Spot's size is nearly perfect:





The fit is very nice and there's really no visible gap between the Spot and the flat lid surface, as the tape I used is very thin. Here's the Spot from another angle:





Here the lid is fully open:





The light hits the front of the fridge when the lid is swung open fully and hitting the bumpstops:





That pic is a little deceiving, and there's a lot of ambient light inside the rest of the fridge. Tilt the lid forward slightly and the light will hit the center of the ARB45's green floor. Here's a pic taken with the lens sitting on the front of my ARB:





I'm very happy with this light. If the tape holds and the headlamp stands up to the cold, I'll remove the Spot again and clean up the install a bit by sanding off the remnants of the hinge pins protruding from the sides. I'll also cut out a better piece of double-sided tape that covers as much of the Spot's flat back as possible.
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Old April 14th, 2007, 11:32 PM
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nicely done John, i like it
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