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Old June 12th, 2007, 07:50 PM
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Land Rovers and Shotguns

I just got back from Asheville, NC where, for our 15th wedding anniversary, my wife and I spent the weekend at the Biltmore Estate.

I have to give my wife credit. For our anniversary she signed me up for the full day experience at the Land Rover Driving School located on the estate. The class was an outstanding chance for me to review the fundamentals of off-roading and a chance to drive some moderate trails over the stunning 8000 acre estate.

However, the big surprise of the weekend was the Sporting Clays. After reading the boards for the last few months I really wanted to try this. The Biltmore Inn runs a program in concert with Beretta (I assume). Both Lisa and I signed up for 2 hours of shooting. After some basic safety orientation we were given three shotguns to try. Lisa used a 686 White Onyx 20 gauge and I used a 686 White Onyx 12 gauge and a AL391 Urika semi-automatic 12 gauge.

I have to admit to being instantly hooked. All of the guns were much smoother than I anticipated. Lisa actually hit on her first shot. It took me about three shots to get out of the pistol shooter's aim mentality and just point and fire. After that we both shot fairly well.

The course is clearly geared for beginners. We each shot 20-25 rounds at an (excuse the incorrect terminology) up and down clay, 20-25 rounds at right to left flying clays and than about 10 rounds at doubles.

We both had a great time, although the recoil on the 20 gauge gave my wife a "wife-beater" bruise along her jaw line. Despite the beating she wants to continue shooting. The competitor in her really came to the surface. So I want to ask for the board's opinions on purchasing a first shotgun. I plan on continuing with clays and also eventually joining friends who bird hunt here in Louisiana. I loved all three Berettas that we used but realize my knowledge is limited.

Those of you who know me know that my height is inversely proportional to my herculean strength. My only problem with the shotgun came in "mounting" the gun to my shoulder. The instructor stated that if the stock was an inch shorter it would have been perfectly suited. So I do not know what customization or stock work would be most suitable for a short man...

All opinions appreciated.

Doug Goff
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Old June 13th, 2007, 02:24 PM
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Doug, I'm glad you're feeling the gun love.

A lot depends on what you are going to use the gun for and who's going to shoot the guns.

(1) Would you and Lisa be sharing a gun or would you get his and hers guns?

(2) You mentioned hunting as well as clay target. Are you looking for a gun to do both or are you intending to get separate guns for each task?
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Old June 13th, 2007, 02:46 PM
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John,

At this point I think we would share a gun although the 12 gauge semi-auto was a little heavy for Lisa. I think the more she shoots the more likely we will go the "his and hers" route.

Same idea with the hunting/clay issue. I would like to buy one to start with. I intend to mainly shoot clays so any hunting aspects will be a bonus. I would feel more comfortable borrowing one of my friend's hunting guns than I would the more upscale clay guns.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 03:23 PM
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How about a 20-gauge field gun like Tom's and Jack's Ugartecheas:







These are lightweight field guns, with double triggers, automatic safeties, and extractors (empty hulls extract but don't eject when you open the gun). I think the Ugartechea extractors go for about $1400 or $1500, which is quite the bargain.

If you want an ejector gun, I like the Merkel 47 like this one:




The Merkel 47s go for about $5000 I think.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 03:29 PM
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So many choices:


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Old June 16th, 2007, 08:23 PM
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Doug -

You and I must be the only guys in South Louisiana who for whatever reason never got into the excellent duck hunting down here.

I have zero shotgun experience as well, despite living in an area with a great reason to be a shotgun enthusiast.
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Old June 18th, 2007, 11:31 AM
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Matt,

I am still narrowing down choices but give me a holler in a week or so if you want to try to go shooting.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 01:44 PM
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So, Doug, what have you narrowed down the choices to?
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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:17 PM
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John,

My first thought is the Beretta AL391 Teknys Gold Sporting gauge 12with 28" barrel. This seems like the best auto-loader option for both field and clay. I know your arguments against the auto-loader and the wife and believe them to have some validity, which is why I am also looking at the Beretta 686 White Onyx in 20 Gauge and the Ugartechea Grade One in 20 Gauge. I like all three guns and am trying to determine which gun would be the most versitile.
I also keep having a sinking feeling that I will end up buying two shotguns eventually as Lisa has made her choice clear (the White Onyx).
However, there is no huge rush and the more I read the more I am learning.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 02:34 PM
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I think all of the choices you listed are solid choices.

On the 391, just be mindful that a 28" barrel on a repeater is very long. I mean seriously long. That's the equivalent of a double with 32" barrels. That's huge.

To illustrate, check out my Super 90 in this shot:




My Super 90 has a 24" barrel. My K-20 right next to the Benelli has 30" barrels.

Here's another comparison:




My K-80 on the left has 28" barrels. My Super 90 on the right has a 24" barrel. Yet they are the same size. My K-20 with 30" barrels is longer than both of my 12s:




Your proposed 391 with 28" barrels would be even longer than my K-20.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 03:50 PM
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Doug,

Here's that 20-Bore M2 Super 90 I told you about on the phone:

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/l...thetic20Ga.jpg

The Benelli part no. for that gun is 11097. Benelli lists that gun as having a 24" barrel, black ComforTech buttstock, 3+1 magazine capacity, red fiber optic front bead, 45.3" overall length, 5.7 lbs. weight, 14 3/8" length of pull, 1 3/8" drop at comb, 2" drop at heel, and $1215 MSRP.

Here's some info on the ComforTech technology:

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/comforTech.tpl

That gun comes with shims for tweaking the buttstock to your liking:




I doubt it will come to it, but if you had to you could change out the comb with a taller comb to fit your face:




There are also three different recoil pads for adjusting the length of pull to your liking:




The pads are an extra-cost option I think.

I couldn't find it on Benelli's site, but Benelli also offers a 20-Bore extension magazine for the 20-Bore M2 like this one:




The extension magazine increases magazine capacity to 7+1.

If you are set on a repeater (and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a repeater), I think this 20-Bore M2 ComforTech is a great starter gun for you and your wife. It would be a sweet shooter that you would never outgrow, no matter how far you decide to take your shotgunning. It would even make a sweet Argentina gun if you got really into shotgunning. If you never get into shotgunning and plink only occasionally, this would be a sweet gun as well.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 03:51 PM
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Here's a Benelli vid:


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Old June 20th, 2007, 09:52 PM
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cleaned Walmart out. 100 rounds for $15.86... what a bargain.

Anyone up for some shooting?
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Old June 20th, 2007, 10:02 PM
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Did you end up with a Glock 17? 19?
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Old June 21st, 2007, 04:50 AM
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19, have had it for about a year now.
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 06:49 PM
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I like having something I can toss around and not worry too much about it. Here is a 150.00 Sears and Robuck 16ga pump and a Benilli 12ga auto side by side. Both are tough guns and both shoot really well. Although the Benilli is mainly a turkey gun, it works well for birds, too, with just a change of the choke. It's a nice "all-in-one" gun....
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 09:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanspeed
Here are some pics of the quarry from this past weekend to inspire you:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JSQ
(just go easy on the bodycount pics....)

lol..
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Old June 25th, 2007, 07:52 PM
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After much thought and opinion I ended up with not one but two shotguns

The Beretta 686 White Onyx 20 gauge with 26" bbl and the Beretta 391 Teknys Gold Field also in 20 gauge and 26" bbl. Both the wife and I got what we wanted.

I have sent some pictures to John but my photo skills suck so I am attaching the links from Beretta's site.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 10:31 AM
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Here you go:








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Old July 20th, 2007, 05:08 PM
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Yesterday seemed to be show-and-tell day at the shop.

Not only did Ryan Sakurada come by with his 1200 Adventure, but Dave Lara came by with his M2 Super 90:




I was blown away by how nice the M2 is. My M1s seem so dated in comparison. Dave hasn't shot it yet. It's still NIB:




The M2's receiver has a very radiused appearance and alluring feel:




In contrast, my M1s' receivers are very squared and blocky:




The differences are subtle when looking at the weapons, but when you feel them the M2 is definitely more alluring to the hands.

David's M2 has the ComforTech buttstock:




This stock is set up a little low for me, while my M1 stock fit me perfectly from the Benelli factory. The M2 comes with stock shims anyway, and it's a simple matter to change out the shims.

The M2's chokes are longer:




The black choke is from my M1. The new M2 chokes are very sweet. I believe both the barrels and chokes on the M2s are treated with cryogenic stress relief.

The M2 forend looks all high-tech:




From seeing it in the pics, I didn't like it. But in person it's awesome. It's very narrow side to side and there's no huge beavertail effect as on the M1 forend. And I dig the snakeskin-style checkering on the forend and wrist. It's very comfortable and not abrasive to the hands at all like sharp checkering.

I'm eager to shoot with David. If I like this M2 as much as I think I will, I may have to get an M2 ComforTech for myself.
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Old July 21st, 2007, 05:58 AM
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Congrats to Dave L., was thinking about getting one for my apartment in NYC once I get my NYC long gun license. Thought I'd mix it up between the over/under and auto loader... glad to hear it's a nice gun. Would also like to join you on a shoot day.
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Old July 21st, 2007, 03:36 PM
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Congrats David!!!

I may need to get one.
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Old July 21st, 2007, 03:53 PM
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Should we do a Gun World group buy and then some American BBQ afterward?
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Old July 21st, 2007, 07:59 PM
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Super Black Eagle II

Dave,

It must be the month for Benelli. I picked up a 28" bbl 12 gauge super black eagle II yesterday (Yeah, thats three in 6 weeks... a little crazy.)

Went shooting today and it shoots and handles like a dream. Went with the black synthetic with the Comfortech package. Highly recommended.

I hope to join y'all for some shooting come the fall the next time I am in LA.

BTW, as a typical American male incapable of assuming personal responsibility for my actions, I blame John Lee for inflicting this shot gun madness on me.

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/l...thetic12Ga.jpg

Doug Goff
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Old August 7th, 2007, 12:15 PM
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Land Rovers/Shotguns

Beretta seems to think there's a connection between Land Rovers and the shotgunning sports as well.....

2007 Beretta Catalog
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