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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:09 PM
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Aaron Shrier
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1911 questions...

I have decided that I want a pistol in 45 ACP. And while I am not 100% set on the idea... I am pretty sure I want a 1911. So I looked at and held a few today.

I like the Kimber and I like the Sig Sauer.

Aesthetically, I think I like black with wood grips over stainless/black grips. I really don't like the black/stainless with wood grips. The wood grips felt a bit larger in my hand, but I don't know if there are different size grips or not. I have large hands so it is not a problem. Stainless is less likely to rust, but I keep my guns clean so I don't think this a major concern.

I don't really like how the tactical rail makes the gun seem bulky (IMO). I think I like the idea of night sights. I also really like how the checkering on the front strap feels.

I am willing to listen to arguments for or against any of the above opinions.

So I am considering the SigSauer Revolution Nitron (I hate the name):
SigSauer

And the Kimber Custom II (black with walnut):
Kimber Custom II

The Kimber would be a bit more once I added the night sights and the right side safety (I shoot left handed). The Sig comes with both.

Any input?
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Old September 8th, 2007, 06:58 PM
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Go try them out at the range.

You know I'm not a 1911 fan, but the sweetest 1911 I ever handled was a Govt. model from King's Gun Works in Glendale.

They aren't that far from you-go over and talk to them.

http://www.kingsgunworks.com

My 2 cents-
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Old September 8th, 2007, 08:08 PM
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I love the Kimber 1911. For a non-1911 pistol I love Sigs and have owned a 229 and 226 (flood destroyed). The Kimber Custom CDP has an ambidextrous safety and night sites are standard. I use the Ultra CDP as a carry weapon and the TLE II is my home defense gun. Both have performed flawlessly out of the box with amazing accuracy and reliability.

Good luck with the search.

Doug Goff
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Old September 10th, 2007, 10:43 AM
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If you get the Kimber Custom II, keep the factory rubber grips. They are very functional.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 10:50 AM
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The new Les Baer CustomThunder Ranch 1911 is a serious, no-nonsense self-defense pistol conceived by Clint Smith, Director of Thunder Ranch, one of the premier training facilities dedicated to teaching people how to survive in a tough, unfriendly world. Clint Smith cares about good guns and he's concerned that his students are equipped with reliable, accurate guns they might one day have to trust with their lives. That's why Clint Smith approached Les Baer about developing a dependable, combat-proven 1911 with which he and his students could feel completely confident. So, Clint Smith specified the features he wanted and Les Baer built it. The result is a distinctive yet practical 1911 that's ideal for personal defense and a source of price for the owner. Features include:

Baer steel NM frame • Baer forged steel NM slide with front and rear serrations • Slide fitted to frame • Baer forged NM barrel with stainless match bushing • LBC deluxe fixed combat rear sight with Tritium inserts • Baer dovetail front sight with tritium insert • Lowered and flared ejection port • Baer checkered slide stop • Baer extended ejector • Standard style thumb safety (extended ambi for left handed shooters) • Baer aluminum match trigger • Baer deluxe Commander hammer and sear • Crisp 4 lb. pull • Baer tuned bar stock extractor • Baer beavertail grip safety with pad • Deluxe high checkered front strap at 30 lpi • Flat checkered mainspring housing • Beveled magazine well • Polished feed ramp and throated barrel • Complete pistol rounded for tactical use • Blue finish on complete pistol • Deluxe special slim line grips with thunder Ranch logo (not available with extended ambi safety) • (3) Stainless steel 7-round premium magazines • Special Thunder Ranch logo engraved on slide • Special serial numbers with "TR" prefix
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Old September 10th, 2007, 12:13 PM
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If you get the Kimber Custom II, keep the factory rubber grips. They are very functional.

The shop said that many people switch from wood to rubber so they have plenty of wood stocks. So I can probably get both.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 12:51 PM
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I could go Gunsite Geek and get this...



Model SW1911PD Gunsiteฎ Edition Pistol

Model: SW1911PD
Caliber: .45ACP
Capacity: 8+1 Rounds
Barrel Length: 4 1/4"
Front Sight: Novakฎ Brass Bead
Rear Sight: Novakฎ Lo Mount Carry - Machined Steel
Grip: Herrett's Tactical Oval Walnut Stocks with Gunsite and S&W Logos
Frame: Medium
Finish: Matte Black
Overall Length: 7.95"
Material: Scandium Alloy Frame, Carbon Steel Slide
Weight Empty: 28.0 oz.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 02:11 PM
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Not feeling it on that S&W1911PD.

I like 1911s, but I think it's time for you to buy a proper rifle and leave the handguns alone for a while.

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Old September 10th, 2007, 02:48 PM
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I like this rifle for Aaron:




Rifle: M1A shorty
Service Pistol: Thunder Ranch 1911A1
Pocket Pistol: Colt Agent

Walnut stocks on all of them.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 02:59 PM
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By shorty you mean 18" vs 22" barrel?
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Old September 10th, 2007, 03:07 PM
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What do you think?
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Old September 10th, 2007, 03:09 PM
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Not feeling it on that S&W1911PD.

I like 1911s, but I think it's time for you to buy a proper rifle and leave the handguns alone for a while.


Agreed, I love the M1A.
John is it bad to use student loans to buy firearms?

edit: I love how many of the M1As still feature the M14 fold up butt plate.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 03:26 PM
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John is it bad to use student loans to buy firearms?


Not at all.

I bought all three of my Super 90s and two of my P7s using student loan money.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 03:47 PM
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What do you think?

Yes, yes... obviously 18" is shorter than 22". Silly question.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 04:05 PM
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Come to think of it, I think I also bought my HK43 using student loan money.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 04:24 PM
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I also prefer the shorter 18" bbl.

Keep in mind, it is my understanding, that this weapon can be stored in the rear of your vehicle without any locking device and loaded magazines can be stored separately e.g. in the center console.

To me this is a HUGE advantage beyond the obvious superior utility of the full power rifle.

This rifle is .308 (7.62x51).
It will ventilate nearly anything you ask it to.

It is extremely accurate and reliable for an off the shelf semi-automatic full power cartridge rifle.

It is not subject to the CA assault weapons ban and it lacks the sinister appearance of the black ARs. Many might mistake it for a hunting implement, but rest assured, it's a mankiller.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 04:52 PM
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And all that for around $1500.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 07:19 PM
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I'm tempted... bad.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 07:32 PM
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To return briefly to the original subject, before this thread segues completely into golf clubs or something:

I own a Novak-built Colt Commander, quite plain except for lovely wood stocks (grips). Ambidextrous safety because I too am left-handed. It's a lovely pistol, and I had it built from a Colt out of a sense of loyalty, even though as it came from the factory it was a miserable piece of work.

If I were buying today the Les Baer would be at or near the top of the list. Not customized within an inch of its life or reliability, just built to the best standard a working 1911 can be. I'd ask for a standard-length ambi-safety rather than the pointless extended version, and I'd file off the off-side lever.

Although I think very highly of Sig 220s and HK USPs and Glocks, to me a .45 ACP is a 1911.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 08:19 PM
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There were a couple Les Baer 1911s at the shop... I will go back and look at them more closely.
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Old September 11th, 2007, 06:30 AM
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Re your original questions, Aaron: My Commander has 30 lpi checkering on the front strap. I like it a lot. And I would not own a defensive pistol without night sights. Novak's are still the best, I believe.

One more feature on my Novak that I rarely see: The bottom of the rear of the trigger guard is relieved a bit, so you can get your other three fingers just a touch higher on the grip.

I'm with you on the looks of the "tactical" rail, especially on 1911-pattern pistols. It ruins the lines. On the other hand, it's a damn good idea. My house Glock wears a light every night.

I think Kimbers are really good pistols for the money. However, they cut corners in a few places. I believe they still use MIM small parts, and I'm just not comfortable with that. Could be personal prejudice, but give me forged parts, especially for things like thumb safeties where I'm going to be slamming them hard in a defensive situation - and even more so for a lefty safety, which endures extra stress on a 1911.
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Old September 11th, 2007, 10:28 AM
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OK, let me get this straight, Jonathan.

You have a Novak's Colt Commander (Series 70? Lightweight Commander or Combat Commander?) with lovely wood stocks (are they those bitchin Spegel stocks with the biggie diamonds surrounding the stock screws?), relieved frontstrap with 30 LPI checkering, Novak's sights, and night sights?

Man, you gotta post a pic of this thing.
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Old September 11th, 2007, 11:36 AM
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Old September 11th, 2007, 11:41 AM
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Nice.
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Old September 11th, 2007, 11:54 AM
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Wow.
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