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Old February 1st, 2009, 05:01 AM
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Overland Journal winch test

Our annual gear issue will feature what I think is the most carefully controlled and exhaustively documented winch test ever conducted by a North American publication. We tested five winches, each mounted in turn on one vehicle to ensure absolute repeatability. And we used a calibrated, 25,000-pound dynamometer to measure actual pulling force of each winch, all the way to its rated capacity. Motor temperature, amp draw, line speed - each was tested during several tasks.

Here is a preview video:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/vide...inch_test.html
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Old February 1st, 2009, 07:16 AM
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Awesome.

After the issue is delivered, do you plan on releasing the entire video?
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 05:42 AM
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It is possible. We used the video more as a testing tool, to help control variables. There is some more good meat to the HD content we captured, maybe enough for a 3-5 minute piece. We really needed a shooter at these epic tests...

To make it easier on some, we uploaded to YouTube

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Old February 2nd, 2009, 10:34 AM
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Looks very interesting, Scott. From the little bit in the posted link I'd think with some added on-trail material it would probably do well as a stand-alone video on how-to and winch capabilities.

Looking forward to receiving the gear issue.

-N
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 10:52 AM
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Wonder how your test will compare with the Mile Marker test that was done several years ago.

....I think I have the DVD, but is the Mile Marker video online anywhere?

EDIT: NM, found it. http://www.milemarker.com/video/comparison.html
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 10:17 PM
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I'm not much for these "shoot-outs" but that looks pretty cool.

I was digging the night footage with winch carnage.
That really resonates with me.

The audio on the straining winches sounded really good too.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 06:02 AM
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Jack, the reason you're not much for these "shoot-outs" is probably because most of them are . . .

. . . so poorly controlled that the resulting "winner" is little more than a statistical fluke, as in a recent online review I've seen.

. . . little in reality but encomiums for advertisers, with a "conclusion" along the lines of, "Any one of these winches will be a fine choice for your truck."
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 07:09 AM
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For all of the sounds of the straining electric motors, I didn't happen to hear the quiet tones of a hydraulic winch.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 04:05 PM
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Nope - we kept this restricted to 12V winches. Someday it would be fun to do an "odd-ball" test - throw in the PTO on my FJ40, and maybe a capstan on Grendel the Series III, if I can ever talk Bill at Great Basin Rovers out of one of the dozen he's hoarding. And a hydraulic.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 04:26 PM
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I can understand how the PTO or capstan winches would be considered to be "odd-ball" winches, but a hydraulic? They are mass produced and are simple installations on any vehicle that has a 1500 psi steering pump.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 05:43 PM
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I just do not see how a hydraulic winch is very practical on a 4wd.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 06:58 PM
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Dan, not to sound like a smartass, but I don't understand how someone could not realize that a hydraulic winch is practical on an offroad vehicle. There are only 2 downsides: slow pull speed and the engine has to be running. Otherwise, its an extremely reliable winch.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 07:31 PM
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I totally agree with you. If I owned a tow truck, it would have a hydraulic winch.

But I've seen too many circumstances when the engine could not remain running during a recovery. Examples would be after a roll-over, or if a vehicle was leaning to the point where oil was not reaching the pump like it should. Or even if you were stalled on a hill and needed to secure the vehicle while you work on it......

I think they're great winches, just not on my 4wd.
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Old February 4th, 2009, 05:11 AM
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Mike, I meant "odd-ball" in terms of popularity only. Agree with the choice or not, electric winches represent the vast majority of winches installed on vehicles in the U.S., and anywhere else I've been, too, for that matter.

I understand there's an Aussie product that acts as a backup pump to keep a hydraulic winch running off battery power if the engine won't run. Don't know anything more about it yet.
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Old February 4th, 2009, 06:45 AM
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Jonathan, I agree that hydraulic winches aren't nearly as popular as the standard electric planetary, but neither is a worm drive electric. Did you happen to test one of those? When someone has a worm drive winch it clearly isn't meant to be there as a hood ornament as is the case with so many little electrics.

When I was researching the hydraulic, I ran across a company in the US that was selling the electric backup pump, but I didn't pursue it any further.
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Old February 4th, 2009, 08:19 AM
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We tested:

Warn M8274-50
Superwinch Husky 10 (there's your worm drive - still a 12V winch, though)
Warn Endurance 12.0
Ramsey Patriot 9500 UT
Mile Marker V10
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Old February 4th, 2009, 08:30 AM
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I look forward to the results.
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Old February 4th, 2009, 11:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JMH
We tested:

Warn M8274-50
Superwinch Husky 10 (there's your worm drive - still a 12V winch, though)
Warn Endurance 12.0
Ramsey Patriot 9500 UT
Mile Marker V10

I organized a similar four-day test:

Warn HS9500i
Superwinch Husky 10
Superwinch EP 9.0
Ramsey whatever-the-fuck-greg-has

It was called "Dusy Ershim".

There was no winner.
Just one loser.
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Old February 5th, 2009, 05:16 AM
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X-9 not EP 9.0
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Old February 5th, 2009, 05:57 PM
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X-9 not EP 9.0


Sorry.
Forgot that TJM days hold-over.
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Old February 6th, 2009, 05:21 AM
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So, do I have to subscribe to something to read the results of your test?
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Old February 6th, 2009, 08:16 AM
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We just installed a capstan on a buddy's Ser III here in town....now the search is on for a reasonable rope to use with it.

Any thoughts....remember, we're stuck here in the middle of the flatlands
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Old February 7th, 2009, 08:27 PM
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So, do I have to subscribe to something to read the results of your test?


Oh I was just being gregarious and wanted to get in on the fun.

For that outing all of the winches performed satisfactorily but we all (except greg) agreed that we hated his winch and line and would groan and grumble when we were setting up for him.

Especially that remote...
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Old February 7th, 2009, 09:36 PM
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Oh I was just being gregarious and wanted to get in on the fun.

For that outing all of the winches performed satisfactorily but we all (except greg) agreed that we hated his winch and line and would groan and grumble when we were setting up for him.

Especially that remote...

It's a Ramsey RE12000 worm-gear drive.

I hate that remote too. In the dark it is actually dangerous because you cannot tell in/out unless you push the buttons. It's a POS. I need to upgrade to a Warn remote. Any remote is better than what I have.

I also hate the balky clutch release lever. It is difficult to use and sticks.

I also dislike the difficult mounting which, in my application, requires it to stick out farther forward than I'd like.

It is also slower than most other winches.

Other than that, it's great.

I also think the haters are primarily Jack and John. I don't recall Sheki and Aaron whining about it.

Someday I will get a different bumper/winch. Either a Husky 10 or one of the big Warns like the 16.5ti.

I like my Masterpull Superline though. I haven't seen any syn rope I like better.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 07:33 PM
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hope my gear issue lands soon. I have been stalking the mailbox for a week now!
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