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Old October 19th, 2004, 11:29 AM
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Jack Quinlan
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Thoughts on Death Valley? (Craig Kobyashi I'm looking in your direction)

I'm planning a three day trip across death valley for the weekend of Nov 6,7 and I'd like to get any input as to a particular route that anyone is fond of. The trip is a follow up to the Mojave Road and we'd like to design an itenerary that is reminiscent of the Mojave. Our goal is to link together a point to point route (probably East to West or North to South) that covers as much ground as possible staying on dirt as exclusively as we can manage. We'd also like to be as remote as possible. Some technical sections would be nice as a trip of this nature is typically washboard cruising and it would be nice to mix it up with something hard and also to keep the riff raff out. Of course, some things you just gotta see (eg race track) but for the most part we would like to avoid the crowds.

Any input would be much appreciated. Especially a specific route you traveled.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 01:47 PM
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Aaron Shrier
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Maybe I've misread your question...

If you are planning on the Mojave Rd, I would not try to do it in less than two days if you want to spend any time taking in the sights and the history. Look up the "Friends of the Mojave Road" they have a great book available on line with acurate route descriptions and a detailed history of the Mojave.

In DV... Lippencott Canyon can be a VERY challenging road/trail. It is very narrow with big rocks. I've never done it in the Rover only on my GS (see pic for an idea of the easy part).

Not me in this picture.

Also, check out Teakettle Juction...

Also check out the "Race Track"... and also some cool hot springs (although not that "remote") off of Saline Valley Rd.

I'd have to look at a map again, but from the hot springs there is a "trail" that takes you over the hills to the NE corner of the park. Again, I've never done it in the truck, only on the GS.

No matter what you do in DV... there was some flash flooding a month or so back and much of the park I've heard is closed (at least the access roads are). So make sure you get the lastest at www.nps.gov/deva
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Old October 19th, 2004, 02:18 PM
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Jack Quinlan
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Thanks for the info Aaron.
Lippencott looks like a must.

This trip is not piggybacked on to the Mojave. (btw I think Kristian has wrangled John into your Thanksgiving trip) It's just the same group I did the Mojave with a while ago and we're looking for a similar trip.

Our other consideration is the Camino Del Diablo that snakes in and out of AZ and Mexico but lately it's a troublesome area to be in.

Maybe i'll check out adventure rider for some DV trip reports.
Yours looks like it was a good one.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 02:34 PM
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Craig Kobayashi
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Damn Jack, sorry about that, we never got to pow wow on the Death Valley stuff at ICS.

The route we took on my Thanksgiving trip last year was pretty simple. Not challenging wheeling by any stretch, but some really nice breathtaking views of the valley.

We went up the 395, and I insisted we stop at Manzanar. It's pretty powerful stuff for personal reasons.


We continued up to Big Pine and headed east to Eureka Valley. Our original plan called for staying the night at the Eureka Sand Dunes, but all the spots were taken by the time we got there, so we proceeded to Steel Pass "Dedeckera Canyon" on the USGS topo.


We had Thanksgiving dinner on Thursday night on Steel Pass.


Friday morning we headed out for Saline Valley through Steel Pass.


We rolled right through the Saline Valley hot springs, not stopping to hang out the hippies that inhabit that place.

We stayed at the White Eagle Mine, which is outside of Death Valley National Park.


We did a day hike up to the mine once we stopped driving for the day. I don't know if you're into mines, but there was a pretty cool cableway used to transport whatever they were mining down to our campsite location.


Saturday morning we left for Racetrack Playa via Lippincott Mine Road


We hiked out to The Grandstand


and stopped to take some pics of the famous moving rocks of the Racetrack Playa


We backtracked down Lippincott Road back to Saline Valley Road and headed out through Grapevine Valley by Hunter Mountain.


Saline Valley Road to 190, 190 to Panamint Valley Road, Panamint Valley Road to 178 (Trona-Wildrose Road) to Trona. We stayed at the Trona Pinnacles on Saturday night.


Another nice spot in Death Valley I have been to is the Ubehebe Crater.

The rest of my trip pics are here:

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Old October 19th, 2004, 03:08 PM
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I wasn't impressed with Camino Del Diablo when I was there in 2000. We stayed on the main road and did some camping, nothing spectacular. Maybe there's more there than I know about or saw though.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 04:11 PM
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Read Kerlin
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If your looking for a south to north route you could come up from Baker on the 127. Than take Saratoga Springs Rd to Ashford Junction and the 178 north to the West Side Hwy. Follow to Butte Valley Rd and head up to Warm Springs. You could camp there or press on to Anvil Spring (Geologists Cabin) / Greater View Spring (Russ' Cabin). the next day head over Mengel Pass and into Goler Wash. There are some nice technical spots on either side of the pass. following Goler Wash you could than take the spur trail to Barker Ranch where Manson was arrested. Upon exiting the wash head north on Wingate Rd through the thriving metropolis of Ballarat (population 1). head out to the Trona Wildrose Rd by way of Indian Ranch Rd. continue north to Panamint Valley Rd to the 190 and head west to Panament Springs (Get Gas). continue west to the Saline Valley Alt just outside the park boundary. Follow north to Saline Valley Rd. and eventually to Hunter Rd. turnoff. Follow Hunter Road. Camp at Hunter Cabin. Its a right turn with a cattle grate. continue to follow the road through Hidden Valley. Remember to take the spur to the Lost Burro Mine. It is worth the time to see. head to Teakettle Junction and take a left on to Racetrack Valley Rd. Make camp at Lippincott mine. The next morning backtrack to the racetrack and look at the rocks than. The lighting will be better for photos and the better rock tracks can be found at the south end of the playa. Than follow the Lippincott Rd. out to Saline Valley Rd. and head north. take a right at South Eureka Rd. and head up to Eureka Sand Dunes. from there you could exit to Big Pine by way of Death Valley Rd. or continue to the 168 and back to big pine.

Here are some pictures from last springSpring '04

Just did Mengle this last weekend by the way. Don't have the pictures up yet but I'll be adding them this weekend.
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