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Old February 10th, 2005, 07:56 AM
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all this gun stuff is just a distraction from that nasty orange watchband, right?
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Old February 10th, 2005, 10:39 AM
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That is some ugly shark skin ain't it?

This might be a weak and failed attempt to steer this rig back to the Omegas, but I sure would like one of those Seamaster 300m's on a black rubber strap.
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Old February 10th, 2005, 11:35 AM
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The more I look at that new Omega, the more I'm digging it. The name is also sweet: "Seamaster Planet Ocean". Aaaah, so nice.

Mike, is there a .458 Lott in your future? This could be you:

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Old February 10th, 2005, 12:22 PM
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When will the "Planet Ocean" be available? Any idea on cost? And also, what's the name of the watchmaker out in California who is recommended by many to be the best place to have a watch (my GMT Master II) re-lumed???
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Old February 10th, 2005, 05:08 PM
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Never mind, I found the IWW sight courtesy of David Woo. Turns out the watch guru is in Cary, NC.
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Old February 10th, 2005, 06:24 PM
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available in May 2005

Why do I get the feeling that EE may have a new addition to their Omega line soon?
DW
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Old February 10th, 2005, 07:02 PM
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Sheeeeit. That Planet Ocean is cool in the pics, but I still haven't seen it in person and seen how it compares to the Sub. For all I know, it could be more Planet of the Apes than Planet Ocean. Time will tell.

As part of my reborn rifle fever, I was re-reading an article last night called "The Professional's Choice Today" by Craig Boddington. I think this was a chapter in Boddington's Safari Rifles as well. Boddington surveyed 100-plus professional hunters in Africa today about their choices for their personal rifles and the rifles they recommend to their clients. The amount of field experience these guys have is impressive:

"The senior professional hunter to respond, Harry Selby, has 50 years in the field. The junior man has just two. Collectively, the respondents represent more than 1,800 years of African hunting experience, with an average of 16 years per man. That figure is a humbling thing, for it clearly indicates vast experience with African game—far more on the average, than I will ever live to attain."

So these guys' comments are particularly interesting.

Mike-Carr Hartley:

"Kenyan Mike Carr-Hartley has hunted Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, and Zambia since 1962. He was one of the few who suggested the heavy rifle be, 'if available to the client, a double of .470 or such caliber.' He also suggested that if the heavy rifle is a .458, the ammo 'should be handloaded and beefed up, as factory loads lack punch.'"

Tony Dyer:

"One of the all-time greats, Tony Dyer, hunted professionally from 1947 to 1961 and since then has been keeping the lions properly thinned on his farm on the slopes of Mount Kenya. He shoots a pre-'64 Model 70 .300 H&H rechambered to a .300 Weatherby for all plains game and leopard, a .416 Rigby for lion and a .375 H&H for all-around use. He wrote, 'The .458 used to be good but not anymore. I will be rebarreling my .458 to .375 H&H. The .416 with all of the new ammunition is superb.'"

Tony Sanchez-Arino:

"A veteran of African hunting with a personal bag exceeding 800 elephants, Tony Sanchez-Arino is one of the most experienced of the modern-day hunters. For thick-skin game, he personally uses a .416 Rigby, a .500 Jeffery and a double .465. However, like almost everyone else, he recommends the .375 for all-around use."

Finn Aagaard was the lone PH who did not find the .458 to be inadequate:

"In order to achieve shot placement, I prefer clients use a scope-sighted .375 H&H for dangerous game, while I back them up with a .458. I believe the fad for bad-mouthing the .458 is mostly hot air and blaming cartridge/gun for one's own failures. Apart from some lots of bad ammo, I have never been able to detect any difference in the field on game between the .458 and .500/.450, .465, .470 or even the .55NE.'"

Harry Selby:

"To a large degree, Harry Selby is responsible for keeping the .416 Rigby alive. He didn't choose it for all-around use, citing the .375 instead, but he added, 'Of all of the big-bore cartridges available, I think the .416 Rigby is totally outstanding. Great penetration and knockdown; with modern powders, its performance is unique.' Harry prefers bolt guns, because 'doubles don't shoot straight enough.'"

Robin Hurt:

"Another living legend with 27 years in the field is Robin Hurt, whose personal heavy is a double .500. For his clients, he recommends a .375 for one rifle, adding a 7mm Remington Magnum for two and a '.450-plus' as a heavy rifle. He suggested the heavy not be a .458, because it 'lacks penetration.'"

Ian Henderson:

"'In general, I would recommend the heaviest weight of bullet for the caliber in question, 220 grains for .300 H&H and 300 grains for .375 H&H. This gives the best sectional density, which is of vital importance for penetration.'"

"Ian chose the .375 H&H for large plains game, stating it was 'probably the most popular weapon in this category. I have, however, found it somehow lacks knockdown effect. I would actually prefer to use a .416 or .404, which I cannot fault, but because of the availability of ammunition becoming more difficult (and expensive), the .375 remains the obvious choice.'"

Joe Coogan:

"Hunting's Joe Coogan, who spent 24 years in Africa, states his choice for hunting the light and medium-size game would be the rifle he used—a .300 H&H Magnum. A .30-06 would be his second choice for medium game, and for the heavy or dangerous game, he would choose one of the .416-type calibers.

"'In Botswana, where I hunted professionally, I carried a Winchester Model 70 in .458 Winchester Magnum and later a custom-built Mauser 98 of the same caliber. These rifles were used primarily for backing up clients and close work in thick bush,' Joe said. 'My choice of caliber had to do with availability of ammo. Had that not been a consideration, I might have used a .416 Rigby or .404 Jeffery.'"

Note the age of all of the calibers mentioned. The 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Weatherby, and .458 are mentioned, but most of cartridges used and recommended are almost antiques. Boddington ends the article with:

"After all these years, with all of our brave new cartridges, perhaps we haven't progressed much beyond the infancy of smokeless powder. Or, put another way, in the last 80-odd years, we haven't come up with a better solution than to use a long, heavy bullet at moderate velocity."
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Old February 10th, 2005, 11:53 PM
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ANY gun will do if YOU will do.
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Old February 11th, 2005, 07:47 AM
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Within the obvious limitations, you are 100% correct.

My wife shot her first big game animal (impala ram) with a borrowed .222 Rem. Perfect heart shot at 50 yards, 1 dead impala. Staying cool is key.
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Old February 11th, 2005, 10:05 AM
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Wow,
I just discovered the .416 Rigby has a proud heritage indeed.
It seems people everywhere have an affinity for this rifle:
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Old February 11th, 2005, 10:06 AM
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hope that wasn't in too bad of taste.
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Old February 11th, 2005, 10:18 AM
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Very nice.

You've obviously done your homework, Jack. Not too many people know about the .416 Ligby. It doesn't even rate a footnote in Frank Barnes' Cartridges of the World.
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Old February 11th, 2005, 03:31 PM
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"FLIGHT-QUALIFIED BY NASA FOR ALL MANNED SPACE MISSIONS: THE FIRST WATCH WORN ON THE MOON"

and

"LIGBY'S SPECIAL: 416 BORE FOR IMPERIALIST DOGS"

both have a similar ring to them. Don't you agree?

watch out plenty more round-eye jokes about charlies where that came from.
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Old February 11th, 2005, 03:36 PM
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"LIGBY'S SPECIAL: 416 BORE FOR IMPERIALIST DOGS"

I think that's the inscription on the Rarge Ling Magnum Maoser.
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Old February 14th, 2005, 10:59 PM
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well......

Animals do not have choices.....

but, we do....
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Old February 14th, 2005, 11:01 PM
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Now.. back to the original thread subject of...

my next watch!!
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Old March 7th, 2005, 12:19 PM
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Omega info and a funny story

Found this on a watch site:
I went into an authorized Omega dealer and asked to see a Speedmaster Automatic.
So the sales droid takes a Speedmaster Professional (the "moon watch") out of the case, and starts shaking it.
I tell him, "that's not an automatic, you have to wind it". He says, "no, they are all automatics now".
I watched him shake the watch for a while, of course it never started ticking, so I left.
If anyone passes a jewelry store and sees a well dressed guy behind the counter shaking a $3000 watch, don't despair. I am sure that some day the seconds hand will move.

I stopped by Feldmar last week and browsed the selection, some new stuff, Kobolds, reissue Heuer Autavia...
Asked about the SM planet ocean, will be in stores late May this year, about $3500 for the smaller one (42 mm). Get in line now.
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Old March 7th, 2005, 01:31 PM
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LOL.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 08:24 PM
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I was surfing and found this site on the Speedmaster:




If you are even mildly interested in the Moon Watch, this site is a must-see. How cow, what a great site! There's so much Speedmaster porn there, including choicy items like these:








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Old December 23rd, 2005, 09:07 PM
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yes, Jean-Michel is one of the most knowledgable guys out there....

I've seen Chuck Maddox defer to him in an on-line discussion. Jean-Michel assisted me in the verification of a speedy auto (lemania 5100) that I have. He has another site just for the L5100.
Notice that several of the watches in the photos are the very early straight lug watches, very cool and hard to find nowadays.
I'm trying to make it to Switzerland next summer and will visit the Omega museum: they have been known to give out the nasa velcro strap if a visitor asks for one, sweet.
DW
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Old December 23rd, 2005, 09:27 PM
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If you make it to Bienne, please take your camera and snap lots of pics.
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Old May 8th, 2006, 01:06 PM
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Omega Porn Revived

I was in Jamaica this past week and nearly bought this...

Omega Planet Ocean. The price quoted by The Royal Shop in Rose Hall, Montego Bay was $2450 and no tax. My gut said walk and I'm glad of it. The 42mm units on eBay are going for less than that in the states. A sweet timepiece just the same.
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Old May 8th, 2006, 02:28 PM
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Get your license.
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Old May 8th, 2006, 02:34 PM
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Not yet, working on it slowly.
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Old May 8th, 2006, 06:50 PM
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Get your license and, if you pass, reward yourself with a Planet Ocean.
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