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  #76  
Old March 18th, 2005, 04:05 PM
ronward ronward is offline
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...so what type of driver is that John?
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Old March 18th, 2005, 05:25 PM
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Titleist 975D Head - 6.5* loft

True Temper Dynamic Gold Shaft - Stiff Flex

Golf Pride Tour Wrap Cord Grip - Standard Size
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  #78  
Old March 18th, 2005, 10:38 PM
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How in the hell do you hit a 6.5 degree driver? My 9.5 degree kicks my ass. I've never even seen anyone hit a 6.5 degree driver.
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Old March 19th, 2005, 09:02 AM
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Actually, I hit the 6.5* very high. When I hit my driver, I place the ball at my left instep, to the left of the bottom of my swing. So by the time the driver contacts the ball, it's actually swinging upward.

Or at least it feels this way. Who knows what's actually going on during my swing. Titleist has a "Launch Monitor" to figure these things out. It'll measure all sorts of stuff, including launch angle and spin rate. Lots of other companies have similar tools now. I've never been tested.

The 6.5* would be crazy on a steel or persimmon head. But on today's ultra high tech clubs it's not. Materials, casting, and forging technologies have all developed to the point that the wall thickness of woods today can be made very thin without the fear of denting the face. This was a severe problem on the original steel woods. That's why today's driver's can be made so big and yet have a reasonable swingweight.

As the head gets larger on a driver, the center of gravity moves farther and farther back and away from the face. The farther back the center of gravity, the higher the ball launches. Today's very large drivers have their centers of gravity back farther than on traditional woods, so less loft is required to compensate. So, for example, you might be playing a 10* driver in persimmon, but in a high-tech driver with a biggie head, you would be playing an 8* or even a 7* and achieve the same trajectory.

Also, today's balls have changed. I don't know if it's my imagination, but today's balls fly higher as well as farther. I'm not positive about the height as I am about the distance thing, but it sure feels that way to me.
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Old March 19th, 2005, 09:17 AM
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I don't like those huge driver clubheads at all. Then just don't feel right to me when I swing them. Maybe it's because, like Rob, I can't hit my woods for shit. I am progressing pretty well and was actually hitting my 3 wood nicely the other day. I didn't pull the driver out that day though. I'll be more about distance when I can control the woods better. For now I'm just happy to stay in the fairway.
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Old March 19th, 2005, 09:41 AM
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The huge-headed drivers can be unsightly, especially to the traditionalist. But there are very handsome versions available. For example, check out:

http://www.titleist.com/golfclubs/drivers/905t.asp
http://www.tracter.freeserve.co.uk/s...t_975d_p1.html
http://www.golfdoggy.com/titleist983pics.htm

I haven't seen the new 905 yet, but the 975 and 983 drivers are very handsome. The head is pear-shaped with very graceful curves.

Both the 975 and 983 are injection-molded with rubber to dampen the hollow sound of modern woods, like the sound you hear on Callaway woods.

The 975 and 983 are "player" clubs though and can be hard to hit for the beginner. The sweet spot is very high on the face and not centered on the face. (The sweet spot is very slightly toward the heel, as it would be on a blade iron.) The high sweet spot requires a very high tee elevation, and it's easy for beginners to "sky" the ball and put sky marks all over the driver.

The face on these drivers is also perfectly straight. The vast majority of woods today are hook-faced. I hate this, because I hook the ball. I just love setting up these drivers and looking at a perfectly straight face.
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Old March 19th, 2005, 10:35 AM
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i haven't been to a pro shop in ages, so i had no idea what kind of golf clubs are out there. and damn, things have changed quite a bit eh?
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Old March 19th, 2005, 12:24 PM
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I just went to the Scotty Cameron site and found a pic of my Holy Grail putter:

http://www.scottycameron.com/product...ils.asp?id=138

What a sweet putter. I could never figure out why Scotty didn't come out this Coronado/Newport blend as a production item.
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Old March 22nd, 2005, 11:36 AM
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That is a nice putter. Looks like Faxon's flatstick, which might be the best performing putter on tour, though Loren Robert might argue with that.

I prefer the more traditional, anser style putters, but I could certainly live with that one. You can feel the difference in a Cameron putter - they seem to be a little heavier and much more balanced than anything else out there. Except for that stupid thing Mickelson tried using a while back that looked like some crackerjack spacecraft (yes, I'm bitter, because I bought all the marketing hype and test results from Cameron's website and bought one of them. Huge mistake -- there were so many lines and angles going on it was really hard to line it up. I couldn't sell it fast enough).

As far as drivers go, there is a limit to how big I'll go. Last year I bought a Cleveland Launcher 400. I looked at the 460, but it was just too damn big. I like the Launcher because it is a traditional teardrop shaped head, a lot like John's 975D. The Titleist 983 bothered me a little because it wasn't round -- it was more of a boxy shape that always looked closed to me.

Lofts are starting to climb back up. About five years ago, everybody was playing low lofted stuff, 6 to 8 degrees. Now, as the heads continue to grow, people are playing higher lofted stuff. I think it has something to do with where the sweetspot is on these huge headed drivers, but I'm not sure. It's hard to find a 6.5 degree driver anymore. John, you need to get off the trails (or out of the shop) and onto the golf course my man. I played a 975D for a long time -- I loved that club. But then club engineers started tinkering with Coefficient of Restitution, so I had to keep up with the Jonses and get a more modern driver.

I have no idea what's going to come next, but it seems that every two years or so there is new technology to make the ball go longer.

Traditional championship courses are becoming obsolete.
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Old March 22nd, 2005, 11:45 AM
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Oh yeah, the balls have definitely changed. The ProV1 has totally changed my golf game. The minute I started playing that ball I started reaching greens I had never come close to reaching before. I could hit higher lofted irons from longer distances, helping my accuracy as well as my ability to stop the ball.

It really was a remarkable change. The downside is that the courses keep getting longer to account for the new balls. The course I play now is 7,520 yards from the tips, which is crazy. There isn't a Par 3 less than 215 yards. It'll humble you quickly.
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Old March 22nd, 2005, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by matttaylor
Oh yeah, the balls have definitely changed. The ProV1 has totally changed my golf game. The minute I started playing that ball I started reaching greens I had never come close to reaching before. I could hit higher lofted irons from longer distances, helping my accuracy as well as my ability to stop the ball.

It really was a remarkable change. The downside is that the courses keep getting longer to account for the new balls. The course I play now is 7,520 yards from the tips, which is crazy. There isn't a Par 3 less than 215 yards. It'll humble you quickly.


215 yard minimum! Yikes. Makes that 'up and down' a pretty key part of your game.
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Old March 22nd, 2005, 04:05 PM
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I really love that Coronado/Newport hybrid that Leonard used to play. When Titleist came out 272 of them, they were going for like $500 or so and I couldn't afford one as I had just graduated from school. So I passed it up. I've regretted it ever since. I'd pay $500 for that putter today. That's stupidly expensive for a putter but oh well.

I also like the Newport/Anser design a lot. It's very easy to align. I wouldn't be caught dead with a PING Anser though. LOL. My current putter is a Teryllium Newport:

http://www.scottycameron.com/product...ils.asp?id=117

My Newport is fitted with a Titleist Bullseye grip and I shortened the shaft a few inches. It's a very nice putter but I wish it had a white dot on the top of it to mark the sweet spot. I actually cut out a very small white sticker and affixed it to the top of my putter to mark the sweet spot. I prefer the white dot to the white line because I can "cheat" better a la Dave Pelz on short putts with the white dot. My Coronado had the white dot from the factory.

My main beef with the Newport is that it's a cavity-back design. LOL. But seriously, I prefer the blade design of the Coronado head and I really like the way the Newport plumber neck looks at address. I used to own a Coronado and I didn't like the neck on it as much as the plumber neck, so I switched to a Newport.

I can't believe you bought that POS Futura thing.
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Old March 23rd, 2005, 01:49 PM
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Smile

I can't believe I bought it, either. I trusted Scotty Cameron too much. The information and testing data on his website indicated overwhelming benefits for the Futura compared to a regular shaped putter. He's got these crazy high speed cameras that analyse how the ball leaves the putterhead. I bought the hype when I saw Mickelson, who had always played a classic Wilson 8802 style putter, switch to the alien looking POS.

I figured if the putter performed well enough to get Phil to switch from his 8802, it must be something. I've been known to be a sucker from time to time. The Futura feels good in your hands, you just can't line it up worth a shit.

And I've got nothing against the Ping Anser -- it was the first ever perimeter weighted putter, and I think it still has the more wins worldwide than any other putter. The Camerons are definitely finer implements, without question, but I give Karsten credit for changing the industry as he did - he was definitely the first mover in the science of perimeter weighting.

Stansell, you couldn't be more correct. The par 3's on this course are all about getting up and down. Most of them have trouble around the greens that you try to keep out of play, so your target is really small and easy to miss. I'm very curious to see what the pros do when they see this course later this year for the Zurich Classic. I have a feeling that the winner is going to go low, like 25 under or something -- depending on how high they can get the rough to grow, of course.

It's pretty cool to see the way the PGA takes care of this course. It's a Tournament Players Club course, and there are always a bunch of guys with degrees in turf management or something riding around doing experiments, moving trees, and whatnot. All the equipment and tractors are brand new and shiny -- it's pretty neat. Too bad the course is a Pete Dye design that isn't much to look at. The design is okay, I guess -- it certainly is challenging. But it doesn't grab you like some courses do -- you know the ones that are so pretty you never want to leave them? This ain't one of them.

So, John, when's the EE Golf Tournament? Maybe I'll come out so you can laugh at my irons
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Old March 23rd, 2005, 02:01 PM
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Actually, Ho and I were thinking that it might be fun to do a three-day weekend thing in Palm Springs. Imagine something like this:

Friday: Drive out to Palm Springs. There must be some sporting clays or other shotgun ranges out there. Spend the day blasting clay targets. And then for dinner Friday night, hit some steak house or something in Palm Springs or Palm Desert or whatever town has the uptown food.

Saturday: Hit the golf course in the morning and play 18 holes. After the 18 is over, shower up and then drive to nearby Truckhaven for a grillfest at Un Palm campground. Lots of meat and lots of beer. Then just chill around the campfire. Those who are sober and fit to drive can do a night run if they want.

Sunday: Hit the trails at Truckhaven all day. Then drive home Sunday night.

I think it would be fun but it might be too ambitious a schedule. The shooting and golf is no problem, but trying to fit in wheeling might make it too fast-paced.
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Old March 24th, 2005, 11:11 AM
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They have mini-golf? Thats about the extent of my golfing.
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Old March 24th, 2005, 12:14 PM
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How bout we head out to truckhaven...

Post offroading, you guys tee off to the best of your ability to be immediately followed by salvos from your autoloader followers who try their best to bring down your titelists with an oz and 1/8 of no. 8s times three. Then McFatty, Greg and I will effortlessly pluck these white birds from the sky with no more than two shots apiece. We can try all sorts of club and shotgun comparisons simultaneously. You supply the balls. And no bouncy range specials. Those don't fly like birds.
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Old March 24th, 2005, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JSQ
How bout we head out to truckhaven...

Post offroading, you guys tee off to the best of your ability to be immediately followed by salvos from your autoloader followers who try their best to bring down your titelists with an oz and 1/8 of no. 8s times three. Then McFatty, Greg and I will effortlessly pluck these white birds from the sky with no more than two shots apiece. We can try all sorts of club and shotgun comparisons simultaneously. You supply the balls. And no bouncy range specials. Those don't fly like birds.

Don't you have to drive an old Chevy pickup for such activities??
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Old August 1st, 2006, 10:56 AM
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So I get another interesting email last night:


"From: Will C [mailto:soysaucecustoms@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:41 PM
To: johnlee@expeditionexchange.com
Subject: Sticker

Is there a way I could get a free Expedition Exchange sticker for my Discovery. You have helped me with parts for my prodjects and wanted to show my support. If thats possible i will send my address.
thanks,
will"


So I reply with:


"From: "John Lee"
To: "'Will C'"
Subject: RE: Sticker
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:42:48 -0700

Will,

What is your last name?

Are you an EE customer?

John Lee
http://www.expeditionexchange.com"


And homeboy comes back with this:


"From: Will C [mailto:soysaucecustoms@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:51 PM
To: johnlee@expeditionexchange.com
Subject: RE: Sticker

I was about two years ago, but have had to change my name for witness protection so I would prefer not to have to revert to it. Hopefully this will not be a problem.

thanks,
will"


I love it.
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Old August 1st, 2006, 11:14 AM
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will might be purchasing springs and shock for this soon...

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/library..._1952Dodge.htm
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Old August 1st, 2006, 11:31 AM
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No, this is a Disco guy for sure.

Or, he could be a P38 guy.
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Old August 1st, 2006, 11:40 AM
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Oh shit. I didn't notice his email on that page. I guess that's his truck. What a pile of shit.
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Old August 1st, 2006, 12:06 PM
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I wonder what parts came from EE?
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Old August 1st, 2006, 01:28 PM
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google is a deadly tool...
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Old August 1st, 2006, 02:53 PM
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oh man, witness protection, that's classic.

you know what's even funnier though, that guy probably thought he came up with some clever shit. "damn, he's going to check and see if i'm the database. i know, i'll tell him it's really for my own safety, then he won't even question it". awesome.
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Old August 1st, 2006, 05:36 PM
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Send him some D.A.P. stickers or something from TRD.
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