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Old October 26th, 2016, 01:31 PM
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Yeah, no.

I didn't think the caption was so remarkable. What made you think so?
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Old October 26th, 2016, 05:56 PM
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I can't believe how many of those guys blink when firing.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 07:56 PM
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I checked out one of these last weekend:



Now I want one. I'll take mine black with the 23" barrel and the sweet new Steyr bipod.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 08:04 PM
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I hope you get it.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 10:00 AM
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Spanish (?) AW with factory Accuracy International can:


This is a really nice AW.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 10:04 AM
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A Latvian soldier checks the camouflage of his weapon before taking part in the stalking challenge of the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training CommandÔs, Grafenwoehr Training Area, Bavaria, Germany, Oct. 26, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Emily Houdershieldt)
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Old October 27th, 2016, 11:14 AM
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Old October 28th, 2016, 08:53 AM
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I didn't think the caption was so remarkable. What made you think so?

I'm pretty sure that the American soldier who is participating in a sniper competition doesn't need instruction on how to use his own rifle.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 12:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the American soldier who is participating in a sniper competition doesn't need instruction on how to use his own rifle.

Perhaps the caption could have been worded more precisely. I read the caption to say:

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A Spanish soldier instructs a U.S. Soldier, assigned to the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade, on how to use his [the Spaniard's] weapon during the European Best Sniper Squad Competition . . . .

If you're not into guns, it can be hard to tell. But the rifle in the pic is a Spanish AW and not an American Remington:


That actually looks like the same rifle as in this pic:

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Spanish soldiers conduct the High Angle Shot lane during the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training Command's Grafenwoehr Training Area, Bavaria, Germany, Oct. 24, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Visual Information Specialist Gertrud Zach)
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Old October 28th, 2016, 12:29 PM
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Dutch AW Super Mag:

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Dutch soldiers work together to engage the target during the Day Shot event as part of the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training Command's Grafenwoehr training area Germany, Oct. 27, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Sara Stalvey)


Latvian AWs:

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Latvian soldiers work together to engage the target during the Day Shot event as part of the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training Command's Grafenwoehr training area Germany, Oct. 27, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Sara Stalvey)
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Old October 31st, 2016, 09:24 AM
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Your explanation makes more sense; the way I read it, some journalist was slamming the soldier. Everyone else is "preparing," or "shooting," but the American is taking lessons from the Spaniard.

I'm plenty into guns, but you're right, all of those bolt action rifles look the same to me. Or at least their differences are without any particular meaning.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:33 AM
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Arctic Warfare Supressed:

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Sri Lanka Special Force Snipers.

The ones in the rear are standard Arctic Warfares.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 03:25 PM
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More pics from the 2016 European Sniper Competition.

Spanish AW with factory can:


Another AW with factory can:


I don't know the country of origin of that one. If I had to guess I would say Spain.

British L115A3 Super Magnum:


New Belgian AXMC Super Magnum:


The sniper rifle is British Accuracy International, but everything else there is Belgian FN, from the SCAR Heavy to the SCAR Light to the P90.
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 08:41 PM
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Typical Sweet Sixteen A5 owner...
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 05:16 AM
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Typical Sweet Sixteen A5 owner...

Yep. Right down to the bags of lead shot (or is it cocaine?) on the table.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 06:29 AM
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The pic is titled "Heroin bust, New York City, 1962".
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 07:41 AM
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The pic is titled "Heroin bust, New York City, 1962".

That's a lot of H.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 08:21 AM
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That "Sniper" competition looks a lot like a target shooting competition. From what little I know about military snipers the real skill and difficulty is in moving and staying concealed for hours or days on end, observing, rarely shooting. These competitors aren't making any effort at all at concealment. I guess that wouldn't be a very fun competition.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 10:08 AM
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That "Sniper" competition looks a lot like a target shooting competition. From what little I know about military snipers the real skill and difficulty is in moving and staying concealed for hours or days on end, observing, rarely shooting. These competitors aren't making any effort at all at concealment. I guess that wouldn't be a very fun competition.

You have a very strange way of being clueless and yet being arrogant about it at the same time.

You probably haven't seen these sniper competitions, but they test a lot of different sniper skills. Shooting is one of them, but there are many others. I just happen to share the pics of the rifles because that's what I'm most interested in. But there are many pics of the other sniper skill set tests.

If you're into stalking, it's tested in the competition:

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Swedish and Lithuanian soldiers pose for a photo after competing in the stalking challenge of the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training CommandÔs, Grafenwoehr Training Area, Bavaria, Germany, Oct. 26, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Emily Houdershieldt)

There's navigating rough terrain:

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Danish soldiers master the Rough Terrain Run task during the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training CommandÔs, Grafenwoehr Training Area, Bavaria, Germany, Oct. 26, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Visual Information Specialist Gertrud Zach)

There's calling in artillery:

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A U.S. Soldier, assigned to 1st Battalion, 4th Infantry Regiment, conducts a Call for Fire during the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training Command's Grafenwoehr training area Germany, Oct. 24, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Sara Stalvey)

Target detection:

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An Italian soldier masters the Target Detection lane during the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training CommandÔs, Grafenwoehr Training Area, Bavaria, Germany, Oct. 25, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Visual Information Specialist Gertrud Zach)

Problem-solving:

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Spanish soldiers conduct the Ammo Problem Solving lane during the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training CommandÔs, Grafenwoehr Training Area, Bavaria, Germany, Oct. 25, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Visual Information Specialist Gertrud Zach)

Navigation:

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Italian soldiers prepare for the Land Navigation lane during the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training CommandÔs, Grafenwoehr Training Area, Bavaria, Germany, Oct. 25, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Visual Information Specialist Gertrud Zach)

Rucking it:

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U.S. Soldiers with the 1st Battalion, 4th Infantry Regiment, participate in the 12 mile Ruck March event as part of the European Best Sniper Squad Competition at the 7th Army Training Command's Grafenwoehr training area Germany, Oct. 27, 2016. The European Best Sniper Squad Competition is an Army Europe competition challenging militaries from across Europe to compete and enhance teamwork with Allies and partner nations. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Nathanael Mercado)

I don't post stuff like that because I'm not interested in it. But just because you don't pics of something, you shouldn't assume that it doesn't exist. Also, I think the European Armies and NATO, while far from perfect, know more about putting on a good sniper competition than you do.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 01:00 PM
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There's navigating rough terrain:



I thought the Dane's used Glock sidearms but that's clearly a sweet P210 he's carrying.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 02:12 PM
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You have a very strange way of being clueless and yet being arrogant about it at the same time.

That's an interesting observation- yes, in this case I was clueless about the sniper competition. I didn't go beyond the photos that you posted to look at everything else that they do, but posted about it anyway. Guilty as charged.

Arrogant? I disagree- I will be the first to admit that I'm often clueless. The arrogant guy probably wouldn't admit that.
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Old November 4th, 2016, 12:23 PM
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It wasn't the first time.
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Old November 5th, 2016, 01:51 PM
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Belgian AWs:




I wish I had that Belgian drag bag.
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Old November 10th, 2016, 11:04 AM
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Old November 11th, 2016, 10:42 AM
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