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Old October 16th, 2005, 01:28 PM
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Now with all the gun afficionado's on here

Did I make a wise move purchasing a Bushmaster M4 carbine, if reminds me of the colt commando I got to use from time to time back in my NI times...
And now, as with my rover....what are the recommended additions/mods to this weapon that the EE braintrust want to suggest....already lurked on AR15.com...

suggestions welcomed

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Old October 17th, 2005, 07:23 AM
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Did I make a wise move purchasing a Bushmaster M4 carbine, if reminds me of the colt commando I got to use from time to time back in my NI times...
And now, as with my rover....what are the recommended additions/mods to this weapon that the EE braintrust want to suggest....already lurked on AR15.com...

suggestions welcomed

thanks...
marcus

I expect that some (= most) will bring issue with the AR, but I say they are not bad for their purpose.
Get the picatinny rails and Aimpoint on there and start getting tactical, baby! There are plenty of malls that need heavy reinforcement if terrorists decide that Hollister Co. is a fine place to begin their Jihad...you will be glad you have a carbine in that situation, my friend!

Kidding aside, I think the you could do worse than a bushy AR, as there are alot of companies doing the AR thing, and not many are doing it well. Bushmaster I would say is maybe midrange in terms of AR's. Not rediculously accurate (few AR's are), but alot of fun at the range. I wish we could have them here in California.
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Old October 17th, 2005, 08:07 AM
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Marcus, different AR configurations are good with different mods. Do you have a pic of you AR's configuration?
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Old October 17th, 2005, 12:19 PM
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Heres a quick shot of it...

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Old October 17th, 2005, 01:09 PM
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Before everyone has you throwing all sorts of silly crap on it, What is your intended usage?
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Old October 17th, 2005, 01:30 PM
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Since you already have the flat-top upper receiver, I'd say a Trijicon TA31 sight. This is a fiber-optic-equipped 4-power sight whose reticle includes a bullet-drop compensator. Its no-battery configuration puts it ahead of aimpoints and the like.

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Old October 17th, 2005, 05:33 PM
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I would test-fire the weapon first to see if it functions properly. If it doesn't, then toss it and get another. Also function test all of your magazines, as bolt-over-base stoppages are very common on bad AR magazines. Toss the bad magazines. A solid AR with cherry-picked magazines can be very reliable and a very nice weapon.

If your AR functions reliably, I would grind off the finger swell on the pistol grip. I hate that thing. It's so low on the grip that it wants to be right in the middle of my firing hand's ring finger. I like to scrunch my firing hand high on the weapon, and the finger swell doesn't work for me at all. Some AR guys like to fit the A2 pistol grip instead, but I prefer the A2 grip to the A1 grip because of the slightly larger size and serrations at the back of the grip. If you change your mind later on, you can always get a replacement A2 grip for next to nothing.

If you want to take the grip thing a little further, there's an aftermarket grip that covers the sharp edges of the trigger guard. I've never liked the void with sharp edges on the back of the AR's trigger guard. The sharp edges dig into my firing hand's middle finger when I'm supporting the weight of the weapon with only my firing hand. A lot of people use a foam earplug for this or fill in the void with something else, but that just looks ghetto to me.

I'm also not a fan of the telescoping buttstock. It's very weak and I dislike the play inherent in the design. There's also a lot of molding flash on the telescoping buttstock's pieces, but these are easily removed. I much prefer the standard A2 buttstock to the telescoping version, as the A2 buttstock gives a much nicer cheek weld and it's considerably stronger. The only thing I like about the telescoping buttstock is that I can turn it a little and create a little cast off on the toe. I like this position better than straight up and down.

Do a nice job if you grind off the finger swell and/or remove the flashing on the buttstock pieces.

If your upper and lower receiver have a sloppy fit, there's a shim called an Accu Wedge that looks like this:




Once in a while, some AR's will have the upper and lower receivers fit together perfectly. But most have slop. The AR feels broken enough when you're firing it, and slop between the upper and lower just make the weapon feel even more broken. If you don't like the Accu Wedge because it hampers field stripping, you can always remove it.
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Old October 17th, 2005, 06:54 PM
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....Also function test all of your magazines, as bolt-over-base stoppages are very common on bad AR magazines. Toss the bad magazines. A solid AR with cherry-picked magazines can be very reliable and a very nice weapon.

One way to fix less-than-perfect magazines is to replace the stock follower with a Mag-Pul self-leveling follower.

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If your AR functions reliably, I would grind off the finger swell on the pistol grip. I hate that thing. It's so low on the grip that it wants to be right in the middle of my firing hand's ring finger. I like to scrunch my firing hand high on the weapon, and the finger swell doesn't work for me at all. Some AR guys like to fit the A2 pistol grip instead, but I prefer the A2 grip to the A1 grip because of the slightly larger size and serrations at the back of the grip. If you change your mind later on, you can always get a replacement A2 grip for next to nothing.

John - have you seen/used/considered the Tango Down Battle Grip? It's made with a palm swell and doesn't have the finger swell.

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Old October 18th, 2005, 08:30 AM
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One way to fix less-than-perfect magazines is to replace the stock follower with a Mag-Pul self-leveling follower.


I remember when those followers became available and wanted to try them, but never did. They look interesting though. I'll grab a few for my brother's AR the next time I hit a gun show.


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John - have you seen/used/considered the Tango Down Battle Grip? It's made with a palm swell and doesn't have the finger swell.


EEEEEEK! Those grips should be called "Whiskey Tango Down". Yuck.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 04:45 PM
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...EEEEEEK! Those grips should be called "Whiskey Tango Down". Yuck.



What do you think of this HK-style grip?

Btw, is your opinion of the HK416 any better than a Colt given the maker, or is the design inherently flawed?

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Old October 18th, 2005, 07:07 PM
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That HK-style grip for the AR is hilarious. It's obviously the grip for the AR owner who wants an HK93, but can't bankroll an HK93. But at least he can get the HK pistol grip.

Even better is the fake PSG1 pistol grip:




I think the ad for this one reads something like, "For those of you who always wanted a PSG1 but couldn't afford it, well now you can. Fit this PSG1-style target grip to your AR15 and go Uptown".

The HK416 puzzles me. I don't doubt that it's an actual improvement to the original Stoner design and the A2 product improvements. But I also wonder "why?" when I see the HK416.

The biggest weakness of the entire AR series of weapons is the magazine. The magazines are pieces of shit. They are made of aluminum and are very flimsy. They have an almost throwaway construction to them. The lips are not double-wall reinforced the way AK and G3 magazines are, and these magazines are legendary for flawless performance in all conditions. In fact, I believe that the very great reliability of the AK and G3 stems in large part from their magazine designs. The shitty AR magazine design and construction leads to bolt-over-base stoppages, by far the most common malfunction in good AR weapons.

HK did improve the AR magazine for its SA80 product improvement contract, but it didn't stop there on the HK416. HK also changed the method of operation from Ljungman direct gas impingement to short-stroke piston. Why? Sure, the Ljungman gas system isn't perfect. Sure, it shoots carbon fouling into the bolt carrier and receiver. But was changing the entire method of operation necessary? I don't think so. I think a much better course of action would be to design a weapon around a completely different magazine.

Here's an interesting video on the HK416:

rtsp://real.gannett.speedera.net/real.gannett/atpco/blackwater/2005/HK416002.rm

(I couldn't get the link to work, so you'll have to copy and paste it.)

This video is kinda funny. One of the HK reps seems to think that a hammer-forged barrel is a "much more reliable heavy-duty barrel" than a conventionally-produced barrel. One of the evaluators seems to think that short-stroke piston operation is "similar to the AK47, the Kalashnikov" gas operation. Totally clueless. Anyway, the video has good footage of the HK416 being test fired and disassembled.

I think the HK416's purpose is clear. HK is trying hard to get the XM8 adopted by the US Military. The XM8 is nothing more than an Americanized G36. The G36 uses the identical method of operation the HK416 does. In getting Americans to use the HK416, HK is just that much closer to closing the XM8 deal. It's a little sad to me to see HK whorring itself out like this. To see the unique HK pictogram markings and diopter sights on an AR is just weird. And I've seen some HK416's with the HK date codes and Ulm Proof House marks on the upper receivers, which is equally upsetting. I realize HK has to stay in business, but it's sad to see HK discontinuing the P7 and G3 family of weapons, and then expending all of its technical expertise on the profitable but uninspiring product improvement of weapons like the SA80 and M16. I predict we'll be seeing HK's product improved M1911A2 in a few years.

I would much rather see HK devote its energy and technical expertise to making its own weapons, rather than "improving" others' weapons. My love for the 416 will stay with the .416 Rigby.
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Old October 19th, 2005, 07:40 AM
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That HK-style grip for the AR is hilarious. It's obviously the grip for the AR owner who wants an HK93, but can't bankroll an HK93.

John, I am picturing you now, driving down the road in one of these (BUMMER) with your AR on the gun-rack!!
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Old October 19th, 2005, 08:10 AM
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Don't forget the 870.
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Old October 19th, 2005, 09:49 AM
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Speaking of intermediate round chambered weapons...

did anyone else notice that FN Five-seveNs are at Turner's?

I read about the pistols and submachineguns chambered in this round so long ago I'd forgotten all about it and then there it was under the glass.



it may well be the answer to a question no one asked but it's a lot of penetration from a pistol.

for me it brings to mind the 44-40 and other like cartridges chambered for both pistol and carbine.
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Old October 19th, 2005, 09:59 AM
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Is there a functional reason for that shape trigger guard?
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Old October 19th, 2005, 12:54 PM
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I've always wanted to test fire that Five-seveN. But nobody I know has one. I believe the P90 is a simple blowback; I wonder if the Five-seveN fires from a locked breech or not.
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Old October 19th, 2005, 02:49 PM
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Is there a functional reason for that shape trigger guard?

manchurian maybe?
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Old October 25th, 2005, 05:46 PM
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Is there a functional reason for that shape trigger guard?

Most likely to ensure ease of use with heavy winter gloves.

And, as to the original post, ensure reliability first. Then, and only then, carefully consider any add-ons. Tinkering can improve handling and such, but it is also far too easy to compromise reliability.

For my nickel's worth, a Surefire light and mount and a Trijicon front sight are all the rifle needs for civilian social purposes.

And lots and lots of stone reliable magazines.

Enjoy!
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Old October 26th, 2005, 08:48 AM
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Nadir, don't do it. It's illegal.

Also, HK G3 and G33 magazines are date coded. I'm not sure if the HK416 magaines are date coded as well, but all other genuine HK magazines I have are date coded. If they are, it's a dead giveaway that you're breaking the law. Even if they aren't date coded, aren't all HK416 magazine post-CaliBan?

Don't do it. It ain't worth it.
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Old October 26th, 2005, 10:20 AM
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Nadir, don't do it. It's illegal.

Also, HK G3 and G33 magazines are date coded. I'm not sure if the HK416 magaines are date coded as well, but all other genuine HK magazines I have are date coded. If they are, it's a dead giveaway that you're breaking the law. Even if they aren't date coded, aren't all HK416 magazine post-CaliBan?

Don't do it. It ain't worth it.

I appreciate your warning, John. I already have way more AR magazines than I'll ever need, so I'm happy with reliability upgrades to those I already own - no need to risk imprisonment or loss of my right to own firearms. My interest in going to a 'big' gun show has more to do with wanting to see/handle/acquire some of the AR accessories I've been thinking about buying (picatinny rails, different grips, flat-top receiver, etc.). It's also a chance to see some of the books (Collector Grade Pub's, etc.) that I occasionally think about buying.

As it happens, I'm probably out for the Phoenix show (too early). If my wife and kids take a trip over Xmas vacation without me I might be able to swing the Reno, NV show later that month.

For those interested, I decided to take a tactical carbine class that will be held Dec. 10/11 in Pasadena, CA. Let me know if you want details.

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Old October 26th, 2005, 10:32 AM
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My interest in going to a 'big' gun show has more to do with wanting to see/handle/acquire some of the AR accessories I've been thinking about buying (picatinny rails, different grips, flat-top receiver, etc.).


Oh man. Don't you already have enough stuff on your AR? Your AR as of a 2002 looked like this:




It's been a while, but isn't the AR at the bottom yours? Either that one or the next to last one. If you add more to it, it'll end up looking like this:


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Old October 26th, 2005, 01:41 PM
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Oh yeah, I never meant to suggest that you suggested to Nadir to break the law. I was just telling Nadir not to get the HK416 mags because it would all to easy to show that they're post-ban mags and he could get in serious trouble for having them.
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Old October 26th, 2005, 01:45 PM
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The second AR from the end of the table is indeed mine, John, and it still looks just like that (I think the other one is Steve's). It's not, however, the only AR I own. Some of its friends are looking for a little lovin' from their sugar daddy.

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Old October 26th, 2005, 02:33 PM
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In contrast to those pimp daddy AR's, note the clean HK43 the second from the top. All it has are the PSG1 trigger pack and Trijicon front and rear sights. Everything you need and nothing you don't.
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