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Old August 14th, 2006, 01:57 PM
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Jack Quinlan
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Cage/hoop-set is done being painted:
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Old August 15th, 2006, 05:10 AM
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What I'm liking about my truck over the converted NAS is the full seperation between the cab and bed, and the jerry can compartments on the side. What I'm jealous of is that Mike started out with a much cleaner truck.

I was curious if anyone has any thoughts about the ECR truck and what you like and don't like.

Nice job Jack
When I bought my 90 I deliberately went for a Hard Top as these still come with the bulkhead. I like the fact that anything I have in the back will stay in the back. Mud UK do a partial bulhead removal bar which allows more adjustment to the seats. I havnt bothered as I am a short arse. http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/Bulkhead_Removal_Bar.html
The jerry can holders are great, I struggle to get 300miles on a full tank.
Scorpion racing do rear wheel carriers for ST 110s, I wouldnt buy any of their stuff as build quality and customer service are crap but maybe you can get some ideas.
From experience I can tell you those bench seats in the ECR truck are very uncomfortable after any length of time, best seat in that truck is most definately the drivers.
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Old August 15th, 2006, 08:54 AM
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Nice job Jack
When I bought my 90 I deliberately went for a Hard Top as these still come with the bulkhead. I like the fact that anything I have in the back will stay in the back. Mud UK do a partial bulhead removal bar which allows more adjustment to the seats. I havnt bothered as I am a short arse. http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/Bulkhead_Removal_Bar.html
The jerry can holders are great, I struggle to get 300miles on a full tank.
Scorpion racing do rear wheel carriers for ST 110s, I wouldnt buy any of their stuff as build quality and customer service are crap but maybe you can get some ideas.
From experience I can tell you those bench seats in the ECR truck are very uncomfortable after any length of time, best seat in that truck is most definately the drivers.


Very interesting.

The Scorpion swing-away design is drop-down tail gate compatible. That would certainly be simpler and if I had a choice I wouldn't mind keeping the tail gate for cooking and the like.
It does look a little cheaply made however.
hmm...

http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/OFFR...s/ext/Frwc.htm



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Old August 15th, 2006, 12:18 PM
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I remember being told that that Wolf spare position was because so many femails in the forces couldnt lift the bonnet to do their daily oil and water levels check with the old 90s & 110s, made sense to me as I cant think of any other practical reason to put it there. If you want a girlie truck.....
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Old August 15th, 2006, 03:34 PM
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I don't liek the the looks of that at all. Be worried about catching that tire on earth it looks like it's the limit to your rear departure.

some square tube and an afternoon and you could weld a better verzion.
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Old August 16th, 2006, 08:05 AM
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I don't liek the the looks of that at all. Be worried about catching that tire on earth it looks like it's the limit to your rear departure.

that departure concern is the same for any defender with a rear mounted tire.

that's why john used the rover accessories plate hitch to mount the dixon bate tow jaw. The tow Jaw saves the tire and the square hitch saves the dixon bate.

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some square tube and an afternoon and you could weld a better verzion.

I could if I could weld.

i'm hoping to take a class in September before the next trip, just to learn to arc weld, but that won't leave me with the skillz to make a tire carrier.

Now I could commission one.
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Old August 16th, 2006, 12:46 PM
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I could if I could weld.

i'm hoping to take a class in September before the next trip, just to learn to arc weld, but that won't leave me with the skillz to make a tire carrier.

Now I could commission one.

I see, I thought you were welding the hoopset.

Have the hoopset people weld it!
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Old August 16th, 2006, 01:02 PM
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I see, I thought you were welding the hoopset.

Have the hoopset people weld it!

You are WAY overestimating me.


That's exactly who I would ask.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 10:31 AM
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Well the truck came home.





It was an exciting homecoming but pretty dissappointing to see what 10 months of waiting got me.

Overall the paint job and body work are pretty fucked up.

-Lots of overspray

-paint over the lamp contacts

-painted my red top that was in the truck (didn't even move the fucking battery out?!)

-flat blacked my tcase when they were doing the wheel wheels and radiator (i guess that was a bonus extra)

-mysterious black spray inside one of the white jerry can storage compartments

-painted my wiring harness in the rear

-mysterious faint orange spot on the hood

-both doors and hinges removed by me for painting, but one installed and painted on (of course removal revealed green spots from being painted on the truck)

-pedals painted white

-some take off parts left unpainted

-plenty of missing hardwear and fittings.

-an entire military screw-on type light fixture just gone from the body work. no explanation, just a whole where this completely irreplaceable part was and a cut harness. (these fittings are welded to the tup at the factory and haven't been made for ages, they are not available)

-and the coup de grace:

IT'S NOT FUCKING ALPINE WHITE!

it's more like econoline white or some shit like that.




Overall it's pretty sad because this truck started out so rough, but had so much potential.
With the shitty paintjob I think it will never get past being a beater.

sigh.


I've moved the truck into the garage and have started the late night sessions putting it all back together.

It's starting to look like an actual vehicle again and the installs are going well, but it's hard not to get bummed out by the fucked up paint work.

After waiting so long, I can't believe how half-assed it is.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 10:47 AM
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That really sucks.

I am sure it will still look great once it's all together.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 10:53 AM
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My condolences.

Itís always demoralizing to see potential flushed down the toilet like that.

Hopefully you're not to close with the paint crew so a possible refund might be in order.

Based on your report it sounds as if a blindfolded chimp with finger paints could have done a better job.

Definitely sounds half-assed. Then again you might have gotten precisely what you paid for? I ran into the same thing trying to get my wheels alpine white by a local company. When I got them back they were fucking Vanilla! Not only did they use the wrong color they still had primer showing in some spots.

$350 down the chute. I just couldn't leave them in that awful color. In the end it cost about $800 to get them in Alpine White.

DJ
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 10:58 AM
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The body shop business can indeed be shady.

All my body shop connections are up in the Bay Area. When needed, I will have to drive up there and leave my truck.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 11:00 AM
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My condolences.
Definitely sounds half-assed. Then again you might have gotten precisely what you paid for?


It definitely started out as a friendly deal.

I had previously had this guy work on my disco and my porsche and I had thrown him TONS of business when I worked at the LR shop, so there were expectations of being taken care of.

I started out with $500 down on the job and an additional $750 owed opon completion.

Needless to say I've only gotten $500 worth of work and they won't be getting the rest.
Of course they want me to bring the truck back when I'm done working on it so they can "fix everything" but I'm not willing to give the truck up again now that I've got it and I don't trust them not to do more damage a la the missing light fixture.

I'm through with them.

$1200 to have a simple stripped vehicle like thist painted with basic quality paint isn't a rip off but it's not some impossible low-budget cheap route either.

That job should be reasonably completed within a month or two for that amount.

It sure as shit wasn't.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 11:01 AM
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I ran into the same thing trying to get my wheels alpine white by a local company. When I got them back they were fucking Vanilla!


I gave these jerks the Land Rover paint code for Alpine White.

They didn't even try to match it.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 11:16 AM
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It definitely started out as a friendly deal.

I had previously had this guy work on my disco and my porsche and I had thrown him TONS of business when I worked at the LR shop, so there were expectations of being taken care of.

This is begining to make more sense. You've been a good customer in the past. You've provided verbal references, which can contribute to the bulk of a shops clientel. In essence you've put more money in thier pocket. Once this is established they figure they can afford to fuck up once or twice and still keep you.

I think the fact that they completely ignored the paint code reveals this.

Really, who the fuck paints over and around the battery!!!
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 11:28 AM
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Really, who the fuck paints over and around the battery!!!

You'd be surprised.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 08:08 PM
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Any recourse to getting your money back? Did you sign any contracts?
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 07:50 AM
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Any recourse to getting your money back? Did you sign any contracts?


I cancelled the check on the balance.

So they got $500.

I'm done with it.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 08:14 AM
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Econoline white. Lovely.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 08:42 AM
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Are you going to replace the green oval with a blue one?
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 08:57 AM
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Jack,

I'm SO sorry to read about your paint job woes.

Still, I have tons of faith in YOU!!.

I KNOW you'll get that truck looking top notch.

I love that truck, I'd drive it no matter what it looks like!!

Best Regards Jamie, Blue, and Angel
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 11:01 AM
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Well, here are some garage pics of what I've managed to do so far.

It is what it is and I'm just going to try to make the best of it.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 11:02 AM
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 11:03 AM
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