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Old February 14th, 2006, 01:01 PM
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John Lee
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Vice President Involved In Hunting Accident

You guys probably heard about this already, but I thought I would post it anyway. The Vice President accidentally tagged one of his friends during a quail shoot:


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/...ney/index.html


I'm not sure where the "5 mm piece of shot" in the story comes from.

Wear eye protection when shotgunning.
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Old February 14th, 2006, 01:11 PM
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He must have told the guys at Big 5 that he lost his hunter safety certificate when he got his license.
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Old February 14th, 2006, 01:59 PM
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I'll ask another question: if you were shot while hunting, would you go back out hunting?

I was shot while pheasant hunting a few years back. The idiot was shooting a pheasant that flushed in my direction. He was probably 100-150 yards away, IIRC. The bird shot definitely stings at that range, even through a heavy jacket. I screamed at the moron & he turned around and left. I was a little peeved. Carrying a 20ga and being irate isn't a good combination.
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Old February 14th, 2006, 04:38 PM
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I have been back in the field since. As strange as it sounds, I was more pissed off than scared by the event.

That being said, if I was shot as close range and sent to the hospital, I'm not sure how I'd feel.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 08:12 AM
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I've had this discussion numerous times with hunting partners and accquaintences, as recently as our last duck outing. A member of our duck club was shot in much the same manner, returning to the main group of quail hunters after searching for a downed bird. There are a lot of bad decisions involved in this little scenario, but as with other situations, the blame is definitely shared. The obvious transgressions are failing to wait for the one individual to search for the downed bird, the maverick not announcing his return vocally or with a whistle and the obvious taking a shot when the whereabouts of one of your party is unknown.

I don't hunt with people I don't know or trust the experience of.
It's not worth it.
Unless I am actively instructing them on safe practices afield I don't want to be out with them. Why would I? Too many morons and eager beavers out there. In this particular case it appears they were both preserve hunting and road hunting. Both either sloppy or easy methodologies. Now I will take into account the age of the hunters and readily concede that at their age, ardent wild bird hunting over rough terrain may no longer be on the menu, but the type of hunting they do always seems to lead to dangerous hunting. The problem with the pay-to-play stocked hunting environment is that people are just too eager to get their money's worth and it becomes all about putting birds in the bag b/c that's what you paid for. Furthermore, when you haven't put some miles on and worked a little, you get a little eager to be doing and in this case the "doing" is shooting.

I often am drawn into debates on SSMBBS and other places about blaze orange.
I don't wear it.
Just for asthetic reasons.
I readily concede that it could potentially enhance or improve the safety of the outing, but my chief complaint is that it seems it becomes a crutch for people who are too lazy to be dilligent about safety in the field. If I understand correctly, both Cheney and Whittington were wearing orange. And someone still got smoked.
None of my regular partners wear orange.
And we have never even had a close call, even when hunting in heavy brush and without line of sight.
Why?
Because we make sure AT ALL TIMES that we know where each other are, and when we don't WE DON'T TAKE ANY SHOTS. You can follow the path we travel through the covert by the constant query of "Where away?" and response: "HERE!" It really just isn't that hard to keep track of people and dogs. Furthermore, if someone downs a bird, we either all look for it, or we wait while the other guy, other dog, etc. works that dead bird. We don't go charging off to chase the covey and beat the other guy to it. That kind of hunting is ridiculous.
I don't need blaze orange to catch my eye and "stop" me mid swing before I waste my friend, because I'm never even swinging in his direction.
Even Luke, who it would be easy to portray as having reckless attitudes, doesn't cut corners with guns in the field. He doesn't point his firearm at me and I don't at him. He doesn't shoot when I'm not around in a direction I might be coming from. Same for Tom Kimura my long time hunting partner. Tom would never take a chance on my safety just to get a shot off at a bird. How on earth is that risk worth it?

I also rarely hunt public land where there are other people. In the cases where I do (El Centro farm field pheasants) then I will don the orange cap, because of the idiot factor. Not the people I'm hunting with, but the jerks who will walk right into the field you're working and start going to town. But mainly I don't put myself in the field with random idiots just to be polite. If I don't know you, then I don't hunt with you and I don't want to. No matter how sweet your invite is or who your friend is.

That being said, if I were shot while hunting under the circumstances that I hunt, then I would know it was one seriously freak accident and assuming I wasn't wounded in a way that would prevent it, then I would definitely get back out there. I love hunting too much to give it up. And my dog would never forgive me for quitting. Now I haven't been shot, so this is just speculation, but it would take a lot for me to quit hunting.
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Old February 18th, 2006, 09:35 AM
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I've been rained on a couple of times, both while I stood at the buggie watching birds get cleaned. On those occassions the offending hunter was removed from the field for the day. I do wear the blaze cap (my company logo and a tad muted from the standard issue blaze-ass orange) along with orange shoulders on my waxed canvas shell and game vest. We hunt on horseback, so being up that high you'd have to be a complete idiot not to.

I saw a dog get shot in the face and killed once because the hunter came down on a low pop-up bird. I can tell you the owner of that dog would have gladly switched places with that fine animal.

Whatever you do, orange for protection in the field or not, be aware of other hunters and yourself. And Jack, can public land be hunted in California?
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Old February 20th, 2006, 08:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ronward
And Jack, can public land be hunted in California?

as little of it as there is, it's acutally EASIER to hunt public land in PROC b/c of the liability burden placed on private land owners who grant access to hunters.
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