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Old September 8th, 2006, 01:39 PM
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Nice. I was looking at this one:



until Ho made me start second guessing myself.

It looks totally plain-jane next to the one you posted above.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 02:18 PM
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... she's a keeper.


if you are absolutely sure, then I'd go with the gold/stainless two-tone jubilee bracelet rolex.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 03:04 PM
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I'm not feeling it on the Lady Oyster bracelet. The center link is really small. You're accustomed to looking at your Moon Watch so your idea of scale is off. These Lady Datejusts are dinky comapred to a Moon Watch. I think when you see them in the stores you'll be stunned by how small they are.

My sister-in-law has a Lady Datejust almost identical to the one you posted. Same stainless with Oyster bracelet and plain bezel. However, she has the silver dial and the hash marks instead of the numbers. It's far from an ugly watch, but I don't feel it when I look at it. It looks too plain. Not simple. Plain.

I much prefer the Lady Datejust with the faceted bezel and Jubilee. You don't have to get the mother of pearl dial and diamonds. Rolex makes plain ones:




That ugly thing has the black dial and the two-tone shit, but it's available in all stainless with a silver dial. That would be a nice watch as well.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 03:55 PM
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And Aaron, if you think you're getting out of this Rolex talk alive, you're not. Just to tempt you, peep this:





Just imagine that thing on your wrist. Superlative Chronometer. Officially Certified. Waterproof. Shockproof. Premium Quality. Highly skilled people in lab coats spend weeks to build this.

A mechanical contrivance can't have soul, but somehow this Sub does. It actually feels alive on your wrist. You can feel its heart beating.

Imagine waking up and going for a morning ride with that Sub on your wrist. Rain or shine, it's no problem for the Sub. That bitchin flip-lock expansion bracelet will even let you wear the Sub on the outside of your Rallye jacket or riding gloves, so that you don't have to be dangerous to check the time. Not a problem.

Then we meet up at Moore N Moore for some sporting clays and you're sporting that same Sub you went motorcycling with. Shotgun recoil and sunscreen don't affect this watch in the least. You're stylin as you're breaking doubles smoothly. Then you check the time. You have to be home. You peep down at the Sub. Oh la la.

Then you go home and shower with the watch on. Water does not affect this watch. Mud on the watch from motorcyling? Not a problem. Sweat and sunscreen and gunshot residue on the watch from shotgunning? Ain't no thing. Just wash it off.

Then you dress and go out to a really nice dinner with Gab wearing the same damn watch. And you're stylin.

All of these activities and the Sub handles them. Well.

Like a Land Rover, the Sub is "totally and utterly classless". You can be a prince and wear this watch elegantly. You can be an underwater welder in the Navy and wear this watch elegantly. You can be some expeditioner climbing Mt. Everest and wear this watch elegantly. You can be anyone and wear this watch elegantly. It's that bad ass.

And this watch ain't no TAG either. This timepiece is just as beautiful inside as it is outside. Here's the movement:
















Holland & Holland never made a lock that nice. Some movement maker in Switzerland apprenticed for years before he was permitted to work on that. Entire generations of watchmakers have developed that movement to its current zenith. Look at the different colors. Look at the jeweling. You will never see this stuff and the watchmakers know it. But they put it there anyway. Why? Because they take pride in their work. They have a passion for what they do. Making superlative timepieces is more than a mere job for them. It's their craft. That's some cool shit.

And every time you move your wrist, you're rejuvenating the movement and giving it further life. There are no batteries to wear out. So long as you're alive, your watch is alive. Every time you fire a shot with your shotgun, the movement winds. Every corner you take in your Disco or on your GS, the movement winds. Rolex calls it "Oyster Perpetual". It's a beautiful thing.

And you've earned it. You work your ass off. You get into the office at 6:00 a.m. and work your tail off all day. You're worth it, baby.

Each and every day you will enjoy that watch. Every time you look down at your wrist to check the time a little smile will cross your lips.

Ding it up over the years? Doesn't matter. This ain't no foo foo dress watch. The patina it takes on with time will only make it that much more appealing. It'll be like that bitchin set of blades with the dinged up heads and the sweet spots worn out on the face from hitting thousands upon thousands of balls. It'll be like the professional hunter's double rifle with the left barrel's rifling visibly more worn out than the right barrel's, and the bottom of the receiver worn out from endless hours of riding on the PH's shoulder. Wear and tear on the Sub just makes it better. Like all good things, this Sub will just get better with age.

In the near future, you and Evan will sit down and you'll teach him how to tell time using this same Sub. And some day, this Sub will be his. And it will serve him every bit as well as it served you. And what son wouldn't want to inherit his dad's Sub?

Get it.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 04:03 PM
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or, if it's too much SUB for your style... consider these:

gmtblackred.jpg gmtbluered.jpg
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Old September 8th, 2006, 04:09 PM
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damn john... you are such "the" drug dealer... fuck me!

you had to put the kid in the story. you are bad!

awesome sales pitch.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 04:16 PM
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Man, fuck that. Aaron called me. "Hey John, what do you think of the Sub?"

If he's asking, I'm answering.

Of course, Aaron could always settle for the copycat Sub:


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Old September 8th, 2006, 04:22 PM
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Of course, Aaron could always settle for the copycat Sub:


damn... never mind. i have no words.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 04:57 PM
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... sorry man... my bad.

i guess aaron was asking for it. the Rolex Submariner will go beyond Evan's generation for sure. the tag is "professional" you might not be worthy enough to wear it... LOL so get the Sub or the GMT.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:13 PM
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No, it's my fault. I called John.

I have always wanted a Rolex. The GMT has always been a "Rolex" to me. Dunno why. Just has. So, it's between the Sub and the GMT. I would like to think that it will be with me for the Dusy... but we'll see.
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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:48 PM
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... but we'll see.

cmon, every ticking second of your life....
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Old September 9th, 2006, 02:02 AM
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do it Aaron, do it!!
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Old September 9th, 2006, 02:14 AM
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or, you can get this Rolex Leopard Daytona for $43,850.00 on E-bay.
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Old September 9th, 2006, 04:17 AM
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Get the GMTII or Seadweller. Both are special, not so common Rolexes as the Sub. I was in a LR dealership a couple weeks ago and the young men in genuine LR expedition shorts and logo safari shirts with their leased LR3's in the parking lot waiting for the drive home with a stop off at the video store all had matching Subs. Looked like the Rolex truck wheeled up and they all bought them with their first commission check. They ALL had the Sub and wore them too loose on the wrist. You can't hide tacky, gentlemen.

Go GMT, or if you must, Seadweller. Be original.
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Old September 9th, 2006, 08:56 AM
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I'm not feeling it on the Sea Dweller. Sure, it has the Armageddon depth rating, but I prefer the Sub over the Sea Dweller. The Sea Dweller doesn't sit well on the wrist. Sort of like a Moon Watch, the Sea Dweller sits elevated on the wrist and there's visible air space between portions of the case and the wrist. It doesn't look right. The Sea Dweller is also very large. Not good large. Bad large.

It's true, the Sub is whorred out. Lots of people have the Sub. It's the dream Rolex for a lot of people. And lots of wannabe legit people have the Sub. But the same might be said for the Range Rover. Lots of doucebags drive a Range Rover. However, it's still a Range Rover. And it's still a Sub.

And I don't like being different for the sake of being different. If everyone around me had a Range Rover I'm not going to go out and buy an Escalade. I would still rather have a Range Rover.

The GMT2 is always a fine choice. In order of preference, I like the black/red, then the blue/red, and then the black. The all-black GMT2 looks to me sort of a like a wannabe Sub. I think I would prefer the Sub over the all-black GMT2, as I prefer the Sub's funky bezel markings.

I'm not sure about the latest GMT2 bracelets. I think this is the current bracelet for the GMT2:




You can see that the latest GMT2's have the flip lock for the clasp. That's a good thing. But the shortness of the clasp and the lack of a weido link near the end of the clasp lead me to believe there is no expansion link on the GMT Oyster bracelets. Contrast that with the Sub's weirdo link and longer clasp on Won's Koreatown Edition Sub:






The lack of an expansion clasp is hardly a deal breaker, but I think it's a cool feature. Certainly one might argue that the expansion clasp belongs only on the Sub and Sea Dweller and not on the GMT2, and I can certainly understand that position. But I dig the expansion clasp. Aaron could wear his Sub on the outside of his Aerostitch or Rallye jacket or the gauntlet of his road gloves if he had the expansion clasp.

I wonder if the blue/red GMT2 could be ordered with a stainless Jubilee bracelet. I think that would be a sweet watch, the only Oyster Professional I would ever consider with a Jubilee. It would be sort of wannabe Old School Rolex. If I ever get married, that might be the Rolex I score for myself. It would be different enough from my Moon Watch that I might enjoy the variety. But it wouldn't be different for the sake of being different either.

So I'm not digging the Sea Dweller. But with a Sub or a GMT, one really can't go wrong. They're both super sweet. We'll see what Aaron ends up getting. So many fine choices out there.....
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Old September 9th, 2006, 09:04 AM
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Also, don't forget the Explorer as a viable option:




I love the Explorer.

(Explorer II is not an option. It looks like a poor man's GMT.)
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Old September 9th, 2006, 02:59 PM
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The Explorer was the second Rolex I owned. A very cool watch and one I wish I still had. It was a 1987 model and they are considered pretty rare by todays standards. The date window is deleted, but is overcome by the coolness of the watch. I have the red/black GMTII now and have since 1992. It's got the same bracelet as the Sub of that vintage with the weird end link and expansion clasp with flip-lock. A tough watch and my favorite Rolex in the line.

If I had another it would be a Seadweller, but that's just me. If I allowed myself a third it would be a stainless DateJust with white dial and stainless hands and markers, on a brown alligator strap with Rolex crown deployment clasp. Classic, rich, elegant, and sporty all at the same time.
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Old September 9th, 2006, 04:41 PM
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my third would be something like this:

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Old September 9th, 2006, 08:20 PM
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so many choices...



get this one...







then this one...






then finaly this one...







*****AFTER YOU GET THIS ONE*****

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Old September 9th, 2006, 09:30 PM
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*****AFTER YOU GET THIS ONE*****


word!!
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Old September 10th, 2006, 04:29 AM
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Ugh, never have liked the el Presidente, but go for the platinum if you can swing it. For true obscurity John, check out the Milgauss anti-magnetic version. Too cool.

Funny how there's unmatched class in some of the Rolex line, and utter crap at the same time. Yachtmaster? Nasty. Daytona? Too guido for me. Cellini? Reminds me of Jules Jurgensen....

Cruising through some online sources this morning, and the Sub is everywhere! One thing I really dig about the Sub is that big ass screw-down crown. The GMTII has the normal sized screw-down crown.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 07:14 AM
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It's between this:



this:


or this (with the blue/red):



At this point I am probably leaning toward a Sub. But I will have to see them in person to make a final decision.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 11:02 AM
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for such a precision device like the sub I would expect the conversion from feet to meters to be more accurate.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 11:02 AM
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A tough choice!!
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Old September 10th, 2006, 11:35 AM
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Ugh, never have liked the el Presidente, but go for the platinum if you can swing it.


Agreed. The El Jefe Rolex has never done it for me. I would rather have a plain Datejust instead of the Presidente, and there are many other Rolexes I would prefer over a Datejust.

I will never inheret a President (my father has a stainless Datejust), but if I did I would sell it and buy a Rolex I wanted and a Krieghoff double rifle.


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Funny how there's unmatched class in some of the Rolex line, and utter crap at the same time. Yachtmaster? Nasty. Daytona? Too guido for me. Cellini? Reminds me of Jules Jurgensen....


The Yacht-Master reminds me of the Sub thing that we mentioned earlier. Yes, the Sub is everywhere. Yes, lots of doucebags own Subs. One of the Korean guys at old my firm had a Yacht-Master for those very reasons. When I saw his Yacht-Master for the first time, I wanted to puke. But I didn't say anything. After we got to know one another very well, I asked him why on earth he got the Yacht-Master. His reply was that his favorite was the Sub, but he got the Yacht-Master because too many people had Subs.

What a mistake. He ended up getting a Sub later on. He still has that Yacht-Master, but I've never seen him wear it. Every time I have seen him since, he's sporting the Sub. His Yacht-Master must look even shittier right next to his Sub.

That's what happens when someone tries to be different for the sake of being different. It's not a successful formula.


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One thing I really dig about the Sub is that big ass screw-down crown. The GMTII has the normal sized screw-down crown.


Damn, I hadn't even noticed that. Good to know.

I was thinking about this blue/red/Jubilee GMT2 again last night, so I checked eBay this morning to see if I could find a blue/red GMT2 with Jubilee. But there weren't any. However, I did find black GMT and GMT2, both with Jubilees:







I'm digging that. The GMT2 is a "busy" watch with the extra hand, bubble, rotating bezel, and all of the bezel markings. I think the Jubilee's "business" fits it nicely. It sort of all comes together. It's busy on busy, but without being too busy.

Of course the Oyster bracelet on the GMT2 looks bad ass. I'm just looking for something a little uglier/funkier for myself. I still don't know what the Korean Flag/Yin-Yang/Pepsi Challenge blue-and-red bezel would look like with the Jubilee, but I'm guessing it would look pretty sweet.

Also, there are several Ho Chung GMT2's for sale on eBay right now:





Rolex must be producing these once again.
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