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Old September 10th, 2006, 02:08 PM
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Yeah, I've been combing the eBay for Rolexes the past couple of days too. Trying to find some case size specifications and comparisons of the standard Submariner Date and the Sea Dweller to see how many mm's thicker the SD is if any.

I dig this 50th Anniversary Sub, but only for the oversized luminous markings on the face. I hate the shamrock St. Patricks Day green bezel, yech!
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Old September 10th, 2006, 02:28 PM
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That 50th Anniversary Submariner is ugly. The standard Sub is bad ass. In fact, the Sub may be the most copied watch ever. It's a true classic. That's why it's been going on for 50 years. It's that good. Why dress it up? That green Sub reminds me of "New Coke". What a mistake.

Almost all good companies fall prey to the "special edition" mentality. For example, here's the standard K-80:




That model is a classic. It's so Krieghoff. It's the best K-80 that Krieghoff has ever produced.

To celebrate the K-80's 25th Anniversary last year, Krieghoff came out with this:




The anniversary edition isn't completely hideous or anything, but why fuck with perfection? Another mistake.

I can see why the manufacturer of some piece of shit might want to create some special edition to dress it up a bit. But if you're making Subs or K-80's, dressing them up only detracts. Those items don't need to be dressed up. They're perfect already.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 02:57 PM
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Here's another "special edition" nightmare:




What is so wrong with this?:




Again, I can understand why a company like NAPA would want to create some Orange County Chopper edition tool box or Sears might want to create a Bob Vila edition Craftsman box. These things are piles of shit. They could use the "special edition" markings to make them more appealing to consumers at large.

But why on earth would a company like Snap-on feel the need dress up a KRL? A KRL is bad ass as is. Dressing it up only detracts. It doesn't add.

Don't redouble your efforts after having lost sight of your goals. Don't fuck with the Sub.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM
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I can't think of a single "special edition" that I actually like 100%. In anything! It's almost always the routine, classic models of Land Rover, or tennis racquet, or Rolex that I prefer. No need for "special" anything.

Except this...
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Old September 10th, 2006, 09:05 PM
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I saw a platinum presidential today. oh what a beauty.

anyhow, Aaron, go check them out. I'd go with the sub.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 11:25 PM
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I can't think of a single "special edition" that I actually like 100%. In anything! It's almost always the routine, classic models of Land Rover, or tennis racquet, or Rolex that I prefer. No need for "special" anything.

Except this...

Oh..... I disagree.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 07:18 AM
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I am having a hard time deciding between the Sub and the Sub Date.

I like the function of having the date on my watch, but i really like the cleaner look of the non-date model.

I guess I will have to try them both on.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 07:20 AM
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I tend to use a sliding scale on these types of things. As a general rule, the more mundane an item is, the more it can be dressed up without becoming ridiculous. The more "perfect" an item is, the less amenable it is to being dressed up.

A Sub is "perfect" already. Even if it is not perfect, it's been in production so long and is so accepted as the standard that changing it is a mistake. Add gold? No. Change the bezel to green? No. Rolex can change the movement or the bracelet clasp or tweak it here and there. But to change the watch fundamentally is a mistake.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 07:23 AM
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But to change the watch fundamentally is a mistake.

Colorwise... black and stainless (platinum?).

I'll just have to decide on the date thing.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 08:18 AM
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Platinum Sub is just wrong.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 10:39 AM
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I love these threads.

I was in the local Ben Bridge yesterday deciding whether to go with the Omega Speedmaster Pro or the Seamaster Planet Ocean.

I like the PO. It has a magnificent orange bezel & the black matt dial offers a great contrast. I looked at both the 42mm and the 45.5mm. The 45.5mm was huge! However, I found that as John had mentioned in an earlier post the case back is incredibly deep, which allows the piece to sit above your wrist.

But I think the deal breaker is the bracelet. I think itís hideous. I'm actually quite fond of my GMTII bracelet. I feel the links are directly proportional to the watch itself unlike the PO. The PO bracelet reminds me of a chain-link fence. Something TAG would enlist. The chrono is evidently out so I might have a look as it wasn't in that particular store. A chrono with a leather band might shape things up, although I surmise it [band] wouldn't last too long.

But comparing a Seamaster to a Professional is pretty much comparing apples and oranges. The Seamaster really parallels the Rolex Sub, but the Sub is hands-down superior.

I'm pretty sure I see a Professional in my future. Which brings me to the actual reason for posting. Now, take this for what its worth, but the sales-weasel at Ben Bridge was telling me that Jim Lovell's grandson was in the store the day before. Pretty cool at least to be associated with the NASA family. Anyway, she told me that he couldn't decide whether to get a TAG or a Professional! A sin if you ask me. She scoffed at him and told him it was his responsibility to get the Pro, which he did.

A nice little tid-bit, but like I said take it for what its worth. The sales-weasel could have been blowing smoke up my tail pipe.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:12 PM
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Colorwise... black and stainless (platinum?).

I'll just have to decide on the date thing.

Sub, with date. I love that bubble.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:14 PM
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Anyway, she told me that he couldn't decide whether to get a TAG or a Professional!

oh well... clueless!
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:19 PM
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Sub, with date. I love that bubble.

I do too. But I also like the very simple clean looks of the dateless Sub. But, as I have been thinking about this, I think to get a Sub without the date would be a mistake.

My gravitation the the idea was due to my liking the Explorer looks but not the Explorer size. A dateless sub is kinda making a larger explorer. As I have been pondering all this, I think the dateless sub would be a mistake.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:23 PM
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I do too. But I also like the very simple clean looks of the dateless Sub. But, as I have been thinking about this, I think to get a Sub without the date would be a mistake.

My gravitation the the idea was due to my liking the Explorer looks but not the Explorer size. A dateless sub is kinda making a larger explorer. As I have been pondering all this, I think the dateless sub would be a mistake.


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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:07 PM
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I agree with what John said about messing with the perfection.

I bought my 2 tone ss/gold sub with "date bubble" because they were out of SS model at the time of purchase. (at the duty-free counter at the airport 15 minutes before boarding LOL) Although my sub is supposed to be the better upscale model, everytime I see someone sporting a SS model, I find myself wanting one in plain SS. I guess I could have done worse and gotten the blue face or the "ugly" green face. In my opinion, green has no place in any metallic jewlery. Green around any Rolex reminds me of green patina around the wrist of some chump wearing a fake watch. LOL

As for the date bubble, I always grew up looking at my dad's datejust on his wrist and Rolex don't look right unless they have the bubble. But, that is just me.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:07 PM
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I was in the local Ben Bridge yesterday deciding whether to go with the Omega Speedmaster Pro or the Seamaster Planet Ocean.


Oh la la! You're thinking about a Moon Watch? Very nice. It'll go quite nicely with your GMT2.


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I like the PO. It has a magnificent orange bezel & the black matt dial offers a great contrast. I looked at both the 42mm and the 45.5mm. The 45.5mm was huge! However, I found that as John had mentioned in an earlier post the case back is incredibly deep, which allows the piece to sit above your wrist.



I tried on a biggie Planet Ocean, all black. I was really looking forward to it too. Then when I put it on, it all was all over. It didn't sit right on my wrist. As you said, there was airspace between the case body and my wrist. It didn't look right.

The Moon Watch suffers from this problem as well. However, the Moon Watch is so distinctive and bad ass in every other respect that I will tolerate it on the Moon Watch. But not on a Planet Ocean, which smacks of a wannabe Sub. Also, the Moon Watch's very thick caseback says:




That caseback can be as thick as it wants. I would still get a Moon Watch. That's just bad ass.

I was really bummed about the Planet Ocean as well. I had my hopes really high too, since the Seamaster Professional sits beautifully on the wrist, much better than any Oyster Professional, Moon Watch, etc. I thought the Planet Ocean would sit on the wrist just as well, but it didn't.


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Jim Lovell's grandson was in the store the day before. Pretty cool at least to be associated with the NASA family. Anyway, she told me that he couldn't decide whether to get a TAG or a Professional! A sin if you ask me. She scoffed at him and told him it was his responsibility to get the Pro, which he did.


Unreal. Man, what a chump. He was trying to decide between a Moon Watch and a TAG? That's like trying to decide between a K-80 and a Browning Cynergy. What a sucker.

That dumb ass was probably looking at this Speedmaster copy:




I wish he had gone with the TAG. If you even have to ask, you should get the TAG.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:15 PM
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Although my sub is supposed to be the better upscale model, everytime I see someone sporting a SS model, I find myself wanting one in plain SS.


You should trade yours for a new steel Sub. I would think you could trade straight across no problem. If you work it, you might even get some money and a steel Sub.

No gold. Go steel.


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As for the date bubble, I always grew up looking at my dad's datejust on his wrist and Rolex don't look right unless they have the bubble. But, that is just me.


I agree with Ho and Won, so the Koreans are all for the bubble. The dateless Sub looks very clean, that is for sure. But to my way of looking at things, the bubble is just "so Rolex".

No bubble reminds me of this:


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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:21 PM
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No gold. Go steel.

keep the gold.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:25 PM
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here's my opinion...

submariner w/ date.

i love my speedmaster pro. date is the only missing element on the watch but it wouldn't be a speedmaster pro w/ the date. so i'm fine w/ it. on the other hand... my GMT had the date but it was a pain in the ass to roll the dates back to shorter months. for some reason mine being a GMT circa 1960's i would have turn 24hrs for days to roll. not a separate crown position for dates.

if i bought another rolex... i think it would most likely be a submariner.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:42 PM
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There's also the Colamariner:


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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:51 PM
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I found a pic of the blue/red GMT with Jubilee:




It's a shitty pic, but from what little I can tell there, I dig it. It's certainly ugly enough. I think the blue/red/Jubilee concept merits further investigation.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 04:52 PM
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no, you too should go SUB.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 05:00 PM
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I guess I could have done worse and gotten the blue face or the "ugly" green face.


This reminds me of another Korean friend at my old firm. (My old firm had lots of Koreans with bad watches.).

This Korean guy married a chinese girl and ended up getting ripped off for his wedding. He didn't get a Rolex. He got an OMEGA, a Constellation of all things. It was the half-gold Constellation. It was hideous.

Anyway, he kept that watch for a few years. He hated that watch with a passion but couldn't dump it because it was a wedding gift from the bride's family. He had to keep that crap.

Later on he hit the big time and became a partner at a very Uptown firm in LA and he was raking in big bucks. His wife (the same chinese wife) decided to surprise him one day. When he got home, she was holding a half-gold Sub with blue dial. This one:




She got it for him in Chinatown. He hates this one too but he can't dump it. It would break his wife's heart.

So far he's 0 for 2. I wonder what his next watch will be.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 05:04 PM
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The Jubilee bracelet sucks, especially the 2 tone bracelet. I've worn my Rolex for the last 20 years on / off and wore out a two tone bracelet. The bottom gold links stretched so much it snapped a link. What a POS.

Now the story gets better as I threw good money after bad. A new oyster bracelet cost me $1900, which is coincidentally the approximate price of an Omega Speedmaster Pro give or take.
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