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Old March 12th, 2007, 03:35 PM
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John Lee
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Overland Journal

There's a new journal on the scene called Overland Journal:


http://www.overlandjournal.com/


The journal will have both four-wheel and dual-sporting content.

Our own Jonathan Hanson is Executive Editor:


http://www.overlandjournal.com/overland_editors.html


Contributors include Tom Collins and Tom Sheppard.

The publisher Scott Brady informs us that each issue of Overland Journal will be capped at 30% advertising and the rest will be articles, and that the magazine will be academic/educational/gourmet in nature.

We were excited enough about Overland Journal to sign up as an advertiser, and we'll probably sell it here as well.

I'm excited. We'll see what happens.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 08:30 AM
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Do you see any opportunities for an EE tie-in with Overland Journal? I've always thought that much of EE's online content would make a great magazine. But I suppose it's tough to say until an episode comes out.

I got a subscription this morning. Lets hope it fills the void of what is currently out there right now.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 10:03 AM
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From chit-chatting with the publisher Scott Brady, I get the feeling that Overland Journal will be sort of like The Double Gun Journal, but for overlanding. DGJ to me is one of those magazines that is more than what standard magazines are capable of being. DGJ has great photos, so it's a nice coffee table magazine. Many magazines are full of ads, and the readers buy the magazines for the ads as much as the content. And DGJ has great ads. However, the content of DGJ is also great. For example, Ross Seyfried writes for DGJ, and he is extremely knowledgeable about almost all firearms matters. I just wish DGJ had more rifle content. I think DGJ concentrates too much on engraving.

I'm optimistic about the possibilities of Overland Journal. As with most things, time will tell.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 12:59 PM
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I think it looks promising.

Beyond that I can't say.

I find that the real shortcoming of all the LR mags, no matter how geared they are to my interests is the real lack of quality staff writers.

There are many advanced and experienced offroaders and overlanders, but how many of them can actually write a decent article? I think John's comparison to the gun magazines like DBJ and SSM really proves the point. Is there a Michael McIntosh of the LR world? I doubt it. None of the LR offroaders who I know are capable of decent writing do it for a living.

It's a shame, but I doubt any LR or Expedition mag will ever reach the level of the good gun mags.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 03:47 PM
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John, i think you being extremely optimistic, the Double Gun Journal is awefully nice. i imagine it would be costly to publish a Journal of such quality to such a limited subscription base, but i eagerly await it none the less.
Based on their website, i envision it being more like the Alpinist. lets hope that it compares in quality.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 04:12 PM
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Hehe. I'm trying to put pressure on Jonathan and Scott.

DGJ is really nice, there's no doubt. The pics are clean, the paper is nice, the bindings are nice, the gold guilding is nice. Everything is nice. Except the content, at least for me. There's Ross Seyfried of course, but I can't believe how little of DGJ actually pertains to actual shooting. It's all about guns and lots of gun porn shots, and actually very little about shooting.

I hope OJ works out commercially. A magazine can be too bad ass and not sell because a majority of the readers can't relate. The Custom Rifle Gazette was a very good journal and I think only two issues were published before the enterprise went defunct. Fighting Firearms was another solid gun magazine and I think it lasted only a few years before it died. I think juggling excellence in content vs. commercial success is not easy.

One journal that lasts and I can't figure out why is Gray's Sporting Journal. I can't stand this magazine. It's so diluted. And yet it continues and prospers.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 05:26 PM
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John, thanks for the thread. I'm in complete agreement regarding the content of the Double Gun Journal. I did a story for them in . . . 97, I think, about looking for bargain English shotguns at small gunstores around England. Fun and practical, I thought. I too can get my fill of macro photos of engraving (although I do like a well-done game scene). But the Cote′family works hard on that magazine.

As a matter of fact, both DGJ and Alpinist were on the table during our editorial meetings, along with Surfer's Journal.

We are aiming very high in the quality of writing, but with a practical foundation. We want to combine inspirational accounts - such as a trans-Africa trek in a diesel 110, and a rousing Libya-by-BMW piece by Chris Scott, that highlight the first issue - with solid equipment and modification articles. We did a comparison of five roof tents in the same issue, and we took noise level readings in the wind, measured light levels inside, really wrung them out. Every issue will have at least two equipment features, plus trade news about new stuff pertinent to overlanding.

We'll also go beyond totally vehicle-based stories. In the second issue will be an awesome account by Steve Bodio (author of Good Guns Again and a frequent contributor to DGJ), about traveling through Mongolia with Kazakh hunters who use eagles to hunt foxes and wolves. Yeah, there are a few cool UAZ 469s and Urals here and there, but they're peripheral. In that issue also will be an article by Tom Sheppard on digital photography in extreme environments.

We are not backed by a huge press - this is a venture between a few friends. But we're committed to do it right. And I think Overland Journal and Expedition Exchange were genetically engineered for each other. It should be a great partnership.
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Old March 13th, 2007, 06:13 PM
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This talk of DGJ reminds me of what happened to my old boss. He was very LA and very anti-gun and was slightly uncomfortable with the fact that I liked shooting.

Then one night he had a run-in with some low-life at his Malibu home. My boss called the cops and they took 30 minutes to arrive on the scene. Fortunately, the low-life took off instead of pressing it.

The next morning, my boss calls me into his office. I go in. "Shut the door behind you", he says. I thought I was in deep shit. Then he tells me about the run-in with the low-life and now he wants a pistol for home protection. I was rolling. So that afternoon he and I drove to Martin Retting's and discussed gun recommendations in the car. He ended up buying a S&W Model 65 revolver.

He and his wife and I went shooting a few times at an indoor range in West LA, just so that they could familiarize themselves with the revolver's manual of arms. They weren't very serious about shooting and it was just an ugly piece of reality for them that they now felt they needed to feel safe. Which is fine with me. Not everyone is into shooting.

But I knew my boss' achilles heel: he was Mr. Wannabe Uptown. So I gave him one of my old issues of DGJ. I think he was stunned by how Uptown guns could be. Soon he was borrowing his neighbor's Krieghoff Ulm and Browning Superposed and ditching work on Friday mornings so that we could shoot some clays at Angeles Ranges.

He now owns several doubles and he's all into them. He's all into the cowboy stuff too because he grew up in Wyoming, so he has a few very nice Single Action Armies (both modern production and original/collectable). He's retired from the law now and lives on his own winery in San Luis Obispo. He and his wife both drive Range Rovers and they live the gentleman farmer life.

The DGJ had that much effect on him.
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Old March 20th, 2007, 08:55 PM
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I'm replicating Scott's Overland Video Series and if the magazine is anything like his DVD's... im sure it will be amazing. It sounds promising from what i've heard from him.

Dave Druck
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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:13 AM
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Thumbs up

This new magazine looks like a 32 oz can of liquid me! I am their demographic, and will be subscribing shortly in due haste. I have also spread the love to my likeminded friends on D-90 and within my military circles.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 07:20 AM
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Mark, thank you for the post on D90!

We don't have a big PR budget, so word of mouth (word of web?) such as yours goes a long way.

The magazine has obviously tapped into a long-vacant niche. Tom Sheppard is so enthusiastic he has been flooding me with story ideas.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 08:30 AM
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Just signed up myself, can't wait for the first issue.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 11:21 AM
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You can tell Tom for me that I treasure my copy of Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide. I took it to Iraq with me, and it offered tips and insights not even military manuals covered. I would love a book signing some day. I'm so impressed with the incredible editorial staff you have collected, I could puke (couldn't find a better way to say it). All you're missing is Bill Burke (future contributing author I'm sure).

I would also like to hear a thorough field test by Graham Jackson of all his different mods in his awesome 110. I read through his website (africaoverland) and want to leverage his equipment learnings for my own 110.

I would also ask if you could get Pangaea to do travel reviews of their different expedition offerings, as well as any other reputable North American vehicle expedition guide companies. I'm very interested in doing those kind of trips (and could enlist quite a few friends to join along on these epic type "man trips") once my 110 is fully equipped.

Last thought (for now..I have a long list in my head). My wife and I are very interested in package safari trips to Africa that include driving in land rovers. We were tentativley planning on the package trip to Namibia by the Land Rover Owners travel group, but I know there are many other travel organizers. Looking for reviews/comparisons of safari travel companies, as well as or in a seperate discussion, reviews of the top safari lodges throughout Africa, (and throw in Morocco, and central/south america as well).

That's enough content for the next few years at least!
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Old March 30th, 2007, 08:17 AM
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You can tell Tom for me that I treasure my copy of Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide.

I just did. I know he'll appreciate your thoughts, especially regarding Iraq.

At the end of Graham's trans-Africa story is a spread on his 110 I'm sure you'll find useful.

We're working on a story covering self-drive safaris in Namibia. It's a perfect country for a first visit to Africa, with good infrastructure and stupendous scenery. You can go on your own or with a group. Several companies offer fully-equipped Defenders or Toyotas.
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 06:19 AM
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FYI, we have a PDF sample of ten pages of the magazine up at:

http://www.overlandjournal.com/overland_journal.html

Everything is at the printer; we should be mailing copies in two weeks.

So far, my only personal disappointment has been the otherwise lovely montage ad from Expedition Exchange, which hasn't a single Rolex in it!

I expect better next time; heck, even an Omega would suffice.
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 07:11 AM
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Can't wait for the first issue. The magazine has gotten pretty fair coverage over the forum's I've seen, discoweb, advrider, etc, so hopefully it will do well.

Best of luck
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 07:56 AM
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Just subscribed, Jonathan. Looking forward to this magazine gracing my doorstep.

+1 for loving my copy of Vehicle-Dependent Expedition Guide - well worth finding for those who are interested in learning about longer trips.

-n

Edited to add: Really enjoyed the sample articles. Found myself laughing out loud at the description of entropy as it pertains to vehicle storage - guilty as charged!!
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Old May 3rd, 2007, 08:55 AM
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Jonathan,

The magazine looks great!

I am eagerly awaiting my first issue.
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Old May 4th, 2007, 08:03 PM
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Jonathan, is there a way to double check that my subscription was processed?
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Old May 5th, 2007, 01:54 AM
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I checked out the online sample and am signing up also. Funny you mention Surfers Journal, check out Water and Surfers Path also. Water is into more photography and SP is a British published green mag focused on surf exploration. Great articles regarding very random spots throughout Africa and the Middle East.

http://www.surferspath.com/

http://www.waterzine.com/

Both of these are the style of content over advertising, Water especially.

Looking forward to the first issue.

Thanks, Paul
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Old May 5th, 2007, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by traveltoad
Jonathan, is there a way to double check that my subscription was processed?

Aaron,

You are all set. Thanks so much for the support.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 12:36 AM
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Thanks! I can't wait for the first issue to arrive!
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Old May 10th, 2007, 06:05 AM
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I am looking at a copy of the magazine as I write this. We're extremely pleased, and I think our subscribers will be as well. The issue should be in the mail today.

And it will only get better.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 09:04 AM
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Awesome.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 02:08 PM
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